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Without reading, is the recipe Project 2025?

Edit: I don’t see any mention of it, but it’s essentially the same aim: consolidate power in the Executive branch by invoking various Acts and turning the military against US citizens exercising their rights to free speech, press, assembly, and protest.

I guarantee he didn’t come up with this plan himself. This is the brainchild of Jason Miller or some other ghoul he keeps around.

“When somebody tells you who they are, believe them.”

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https://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/project2025/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf

link to the pdf outlining what Project 2025 is, published by 50 of the most influential conservative organizations

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It is, at least in part. This story cites a Washington Post article, which in turn brings up Project 2025.

An excerpt:

Much of the planning for a second term has been unofficially outsourced to a partnership of right-wing think tanks in Washington. Dubbed “Project 2025,” the group is developing a plan, to include draft executive orders, that would deploy the military domestically under the Insurrection Act, according to a person involved in those conversations and internal communications reviewed by The Washington Post. The law, last updated in 1871, authorizes the president to deploy the military for domestic law enforcement.

They explain earlier in the article that the use of the Insurrection Act would be in order to deploy the military to put down civilian inauguration day protests. It’s a little oddly written, in that it makes it sound like this is the main thrust of Project 2025, though they do eventually mention:

For other appointments, Trump would be able to draw on lineups of personnel prepared by Project 2025. Dans, a former Office of Personnel Management chief of staff, likened the database to a “conservative LinkedIn,” allowing applicants to present their resumes on public profiles, while also providing a shared workspace for Heritage and partner organizations to vet the candidates and make recommendations.

In any case, yeah, they’re not bothering to hide any of this. They know they control the media that their side hears.

Source article (as linked at the start of OP’s article): https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/05/trump-revenge-second-term/

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Should this ever come to pass, it will be interesting to see if he can actually invoke it. The Insurrection Act has a very specific scope and circumstances for its invocation. Not that it matters to Trump, but the judges, federal personnel, legal experts, and military generals who would inevitably be affected aren’t stupid.

I can see it as a theoretical flash point for a future civil war, so I hope we don’t ever have to test the strength of our union that way.

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Doesn’t matter if the people who exact justice aren’t stupid. Fascism happens right now; justice takes time. Trump and his ilk have been exploiting that gap for decades, and it works. That’s why they’ve gotten steadily stronger the whole time.

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I’m more curious what the rank and file military would think, being mobilized against their own.

I’d like to think it wouldn’t go well as far as obedience. But, I also know a lot of old gray beards that would see that and make life as difficult as possible for them if it did come to pass.

I’m not a conspiracy person by any stretch of the imagination, but have you ever seen rednecks rally for a cause? They HATE being told what to do, and they’re… Let’s say ingenious when it comes down to it.

… Now I’m realizing that, in context, it could be either side. But I don’t see it happening.

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Yep, all I know is that if this ever comes to pass I will be arming myself and doing what is necessary within reason to protect democracy. If that means civil war then that’s alright. “The strength of our union” is being tested as we speak.

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Can we please outlaw biassed media? Yes yes yes, I know, media comes from people and is inherently biassed, but there is actual news media and there is the likes of oan and Fox News who both should be disbandoned and forbidden. Fuck that shit.

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We need to be advertising this everywhere. Until the Fascist Taint that festers in the GOP is gone, we MUST vote Democrat in every election, even if we don’t care for the guy on the Left.

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You mean the guy in the middle.

The closest to the guy on the left we have is Bernie and he’s not running.

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Frankly, I don’t care what you call it as long as everyone votes for not-fascism.

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If the people want fascism, in the end they will get it.

I dont think it’ll ever go away. We can campaign (I can’t vote) as much as we like but in the end, the choice is down to everyone (who can vote).

A lot of Americans, sadly, think they want it and have arranged themselves into a position where even they can’t hear “fascism is bad” without taking it as a personal attack on themselves.

America is not in the same position as Germany. Hitler forced himself into power, if Trump is voted in, there may not even be as much external pressure to oust him, as “everyone” wanted that.

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Stop being a pedantic asshole. You’re not wrong, but this isn’t what we need right now. We are literally talking about a potential future president planning a coup in broad daylight.

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I didn’t say don’t vote for Biden. But for fucks sake, how we use words matter and if we keep aiming for the middle and calling it the Left, kids will keep growing up admiring FDR and never hearing of Eugene Debs.

So, no. I’ll keep saying what I like. You can think I’m being a pedantic asshole if you want. Personally, I think you’re being an asshole by resorting to thinly veiled name calling in an effort to shut me up. But whatever, opinions are like assholes and all of that.

Take care.

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What would probably help the most is voting in the Republican primaries.

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I used to do that. Vote for the least extreme candidate, but they got further and further into crazy and I just couldn’t bring myself to vote for any of them anymore.

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No, what helps the most is voting in Democratic primaries, and then voting for the winner of that Primary, no matter if you like him or her or not, to keep ALL Republiicans out of office. Don’t surrender your voice in the Democratic party in the misguided hopes that you can get the least crazy candidate on the Right (who frankly is going to be crazy by any reasonable measure). Why should we be responsible for fixing their shit, anyway?

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What a bizarrely weird system we have in which we have to stand by and watch this piece of human filth actually announce his plans for fascism, and then…let him try to do it.

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Even if it would be difficult or possible to achieve, by announcing their intent, isn’t this blatant witness intimidation for his upcoming civil and criminal trials by Trump and his team!?

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“First, you grab the pussies. Then, you grab the democracy. Then, you grab the power.” - Trump (probably)

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