The California governor has been trying to get his Florida Republican counterpart to engage. On Wednesday, he got it.
I don’t know too much about Newsom, he has some pretty far left views I’m not a fan of, but also has done some things notably good.
I’m pretty excited for this, I lean conservative, so I want to see DeSantis debate against someone fairly competent, and I’d like to see more of Newsom, as he’s being talked about being a potential presidential runner in 2028.
Overall, I really want to see more governors come together and debate problems and solutions in their states, that’s the beautiful thing about America. We have 50 states that can tackle issues differently as their population sees fit, the point is to try out solutions and hopefully use other states policies to improve your state or see that it doesn’t work.
Far left? Are you fucking high?
And what solutions has DeSantis come up with that are good? Banning books? Teaching kids slavery had its good points?
Far left? Are you fucking high?
No, not yet.
Despite your hostility, I’ll entertain you. You know, a civil person, like someone else that responded to me, would have asked why I thought he was far left.
And what solutions has DeSantis come up with that are good?
I liked his covid policy, and many people did too. Keep schools open, protect the vulnerable. The economy kept going, the state grew and his popularity blew up. Even far left folks like AOC wanted to visit to get away from her NY restrictions. He’s been good for the Florida natural environment as well as economy.
Banning books?
I think we may have different views on this, schools are locally funded by tax payers. Tax payers should get a say in what books they pay for in schools. If parents think ‘gender queer’ is too perverted for 3rd graders, I think it’s the parents right to have a voice and say in that.
Teaching kids slavery had its good points?
I actually read the portion the media is blowing up about. It’s in a ~200 page text book that has one sentence saying that some slaves picked up skills that helped their lives post slavery. It’s really not that big of a deal, is truthful and only a problem for people wanting a headline.
As a civil human being I simply believe that conservatives like you do not belong in civil society. It would be beneficial to take modest steps to make the average conservative incapable of purchasing property, being in public without a well informed and civil chaperone, and banned from serving in the armed forces. Such a proposal is in line with rules conservative countries take towards 50% of their population, and thus it is only fair that we adopt mirror policies.
See how fucking little civility matters when fundamental rights are being discussed? Get your head out of your ass and recognize that anger is justified against defenders of fascism like you. You pathetic little weasels probably only supported the 1960s civil rights movement because the white people looked and acted more thuggish than the black activists. Or maybe that still didn’t even sway you.
DeSantis actively harassed scientists with police when they tried to report accurate numbers after he withdrew from the national reporting system. Meanwhile, what’s the worst policy that Newsom instituted long term? Making people wear masks? I swear, blind fools like you wouldn’t recognize authoritarianism if it knocked down your front door. You think economic freedom matters when you live under an oppressive state?
Books should not be banned in a country that supposedly values freedom of speech, period. Mein Kampf, the Turner Diaries, any fucking book should be allowed in libraries if it has the space for it. Hell, if I lived in Florida I’d push to have the Bible banned with your logic. It promotes and is sponsored by organizations that have an actual history of grooming and abuse. That’s not even considering the violent and sometimes lewd content in it.
Even that small quote, if that’s all there is which is doubtful, misrepresents the nature of why those skills were given. They were given to milk value out of human beings like cattle. It’s like saying cows are fed nutritious foods that help them grow. Yes it’s technically true, but saying that by itself ignores the reason that food is given. It focuses on a shiny reflection on a picture of a pile of poop.
DeSantis is a fascist supported by Nazis, who hires Nazis. Defending such a piece of shit is pathetic and disgusting. I know you think you’re a sensible conservative, but the standard conservative would rather see liberal democracy destroyed than accept that an asshole like Trump could lose an election fair and square. If you choose to side with Republicans at this point, you’re a fascist buddy, congrats.
Overall, I really want to see more governors come together and debate problems and solutions in their states
If this is important to you, why do you affiliate with the Gaslight Obstruct Project party? Or when you say “debate” do you mean poo fling?
If this is important to you, why do you affiliate with the Gaslight Obstruct Project party?
- I don’t affiliate with the GOP
- How is that relevant towards wanted to see the two parties governors, that have conflicting policies, argue for theirs and against the others policies?
Or when you say “debate” do you mean poo fling?
No, I mean debate.
i’ve never seen far left in american government so i’m curious. can you name say, two of newsom’s veiws that seem “far left” to you?
Banning arbitrary assault weapons for some citizens and not others.
Reparations.
ok. i’m unclear what that first one even means but i get what the second one means.
I gave you an upvote because unlike most of your compatriots you seem to be open to new ideas, and evaluating positions on their merits based on your comment. I don’t see where anything you said was out of pocket really, even if I disagree with your conservative leaning ideology.
I’m not a fan of the instant downvote when someone outs themselves as a conservative as contentious or unjustifiable as that position may seem here on Lemmy.
I would certainly not agree with your position that Newsom is far left politically, as he has pretty much shown himself to be a boilerplate Corporate Democrat and Nancy Pelosi Acolyte. Which, I am not really a fan of, but I do think he has balls.
I appreciate the upvote, unfortunately the way she goes on social media, if I saw I’m conservative at all, instant downvote.
As I mentioned I don’t know too much about him, but do know some of his notably left positions:
‘assault’ weapon bans for some citizens (I’m against exceptions in these cases, my state just passed an AWB, but current and former law enforcement are exempt, that’s just saying that this population, that has a high rate of DV, have more rights than the other citizens)
Him being proud of being a sanctuary state/have sanctuary cities. The left wants more federal government power, but if it’s inconvienent for them, will not enforce laws that the nation has passed. They’re also the ones that get pissed if a republican state doesn’t want a federal law enacted.
Fighting against private businesses (walgreens) for making decisions that the governor doesn’t like. If someone is pissed at how DeSantis has handled disney, they should be more pissed at Newsom’s handling of Walgreens.
I’m not a big Newsom fan - I have a grudge against him for some of his decisions as governor- but if he pulls this off looking good, I will definitely be impressed.
I can’t imagine this going well. DeSantis will not properly debate, he’ll probably just try to talk over him. And Fox ‘News’ won’t do anything to properly moderate DeSantis, like muting his mic when he speaks out of turn.
I really hope I’ll get to vote for Newsom for President some day.
Newsom ‘bout to go mortal kombat on DeSantis. Finish Him!
I don’t know California politics other than as it relates to national. What’s Newsom’s angle here? I ask because, at least at a glance, this seems like a loser for him. The best he can hope for is to demolish DeSantis. Let’s assume he does–and it’s certainly not a sure thing (the deck is stacked against him with the ref playing for the other team, after all)–but so what? DeSantis’s fire is almost already out, and if it doesn’t die on its own or thanks to Mr. Orange Indictment, the Mouse will finish him. Newsom’s already a rising star; if he annihilates DeSantis he’s basically punching down, and he’s taking a huge risk by even volunteering for this, since if he fucks up he’s done in national politics before he even started.
The best I can come up with is that this is a play by the party at large to try to revitalize Florida Man’s campaign by getting some free press on him, either to force Trump to spend more to squash him or try to get a repeat of 1972 (i.e., Trump as Muskie). However, that’s giving the Democratic party a lot of credit and making some pretty cynical assumptions about their future plans for Newsom.
I mean this in the least condescending way possible, but you don’t understand how American politics works.
The absolute best scenario for Democrats is for the Republicans to split their ticket between Trump and DeSantis - or anyone else, but there doesn’t seem to be anyone else thus far with his pull on the national stage.
It’ll be Clinton-Bush-Perot but in reverse.
Isn’t that the most significant part of trump’s personality, too? Trump just also has the indictments and history of losing.
Personally, my parents are lifetime Republicans and are looking to vote for anyone that’s not Trump, because they see him as a distraction that is hard to portray as “better than the libs,” especially since they are nominally Christian.
So I think there’s a decent chance of DeSantis pulling at least a 5-10% of conservatives away from Trump.
How would Republicans split the ticket? Are you assuming one would run as independent after the primary?
Yeah I don’t buy it - if trump was the runner up, I could totally see him running as an independent, but I don’t see it for DeSantis, and even if he tried, I don’t think he has the base anymore to actually pull it off.
You need the kind of blind adoration that Trump (for some reason) has in his following to make a 3rd party bid remotely feasible, DeSantis just doesn’t inspire that in people.
Out best hope for a split conservative base was DeSantis winning the primaries and Trump switching to independent (because he’s absolutely stubborn and prideful enough to do it), I don’t see it happening the other way around
I think the idea is that if Tump didn’t get the nomination he would run as an independent and hold the party hostage.
This has been Newsome’s shtick for a minute. During his reelection campaign, he spent campaign funds advertising on Fox in Florida. He’s been going to red states to give speeches. He gave an interview to Sean Hannity just a month or so ago. He’s brandishing his reputation as a democratic fighter not afraid to go into hostile territory and news environments to stand up for liberal values.
DeSanits in particular has been a foil for Newsome since at least the coronavirus days when Florida was open and getting crushed under the delta wave. He regularly attacks DeSantis on abortion, book bans, teaching that slavery wasn’t so bad, on and on. When DeSantis sent migrants on a plane to California, Newsome instantly reacted suggesting that DeSantis could be charged with kidnapping (this made his staff none to happy btw, Newsome can be like Trump in that he tweets out policy forcing his staff to react without notice).
Newsome is term limited, so he’s done in 2026(?). He’s been on the campaign trail trying to become Bidens number one bestest surrogate. He’s building his brand for a presidential run in 2028. Also he just loves the spotlight. I doubt there is much logic to that beyond that.
And it doesn’t matter what happens at the debate, so there’s no real downside. Viral clips will be shared of good zingers each contestant got in, each side will talk about how their guy crushed the other guy. None of this will change anyone’s mind. It’s all just a show, and Newsome loves to be on stage.
Gavin Newsom wants to be president. Maybe not this cycle, but defo the next cycle
I’d happily take four more Biden years, and then eight of Newsom - neither one is anywhere near perfect/ideal, but compared to the alternative…
