The developer worked his ass off to repurpose his app to Lemmy for us.
I was more than happy to pay for his time. Hard work deserves reward. If people aren’t going to pay him and use the free version, which you’re welcome to, then he makes his money from ads (which pay fuck-all)
You’re just a bunch of cheapskates who want to be entertained for nothing.
ya went a little too far at the end there. nothing wrong with not wanting to pay a subscription fee lol. its not a noble cause to pay some dude who made an app we dont need
its not a noble cause to pay some dude who made an app we dont need
Do you think professional independent developers shouldn’t be paid for their work? Do you think this kind of development is effortless?
I don’t understand why people keep parroting this. The app is free. It’s a professionally developed app, where the quality tradeoff is either ads (which can be blocked) or your choice of ad removal payments.
This isn’t some company trying to exploit the community here, this is a full time app developer who just had his livelihood completely cut off. People begged him to make a version for Lemmy, and he did. He deserves to be paid for the hours and work he put in to make it happen. You can’t make an app if you can’t buy food or pay rent.
And if you don’t like that, then don’t use it. He’s never pressured users into paying, and he’s never suggested everyone on Lemmy should just send him money. He isn’t even spamming posts advertising the app, enthusiastic users are.
Why is everyone so upset?
I’m not the one who’s upset. Look at the guy I replied to. I’m literally not using the app and it’s not my responsibility to support the creator lol. I’m literally just saying I’m not a cheapskate because I’m not using your paid alternative.
Why is everyone so upset?
You know why, it’s because in the eyes of Lemmy users who have been here all along, launch of Sync is the start of their eternal September. I moved to reddit back in 2010 as a Digg refugee after the infamous redesign, I saw much of the same back then (down to the plethora of programming and Linux memes).
It’s the reason lemmy is struggling, it’s mainly Linux gatekeepers and foss elitists. Along with lemmy needing a slight learning period, the community just spews toxic shit relentlessly.
This isn’t some company trying to exploit the community here, this is a full time app developer who just had his livelihood completely cut off.
A full time app developer who likely made millions off reddit and then threw his toys out of the cot when they asked to be paid. Instead of charging a subscription fee there, he came here and added ads to his app, charges you to remove them, and added a subscription fee lol.
Complaining about a $20 purchase you don’t have to make qualifies for “cheapskate” I think. Simply not purchasing it, or not wanting to purchase it, is fine. The difference is entitlement.
I think the point of this post was the lack of regional pricing, so for them it is not a $20 purchase.
If you don’t need it just don’t buy it. You’re bitching about someone wanting money for their hard work.
Not to mention, there are still a bunch of free options in other apps. Voyager, Memmy, modem, liftoff!, etc. Use one of those if you’re too cheap to pay for someone else’s work, yknow?
not wanting to pay a subscription fee
It’s a one-time $20. It’s literally in the meme were both commenting on.
He didn’t go too far. It is a broad and overbearing, but generally accurate statement.
How? I don’t want to pay for an app when I have one that satisfies my needs for free.That doesn’t make me a cheapskate. I was using this before Sync was even available. I can express my opinions about it too. I don’t think it’s worth the money when the service is already free and I don’t like it’s tactics to make you pay. But again, why would I care if someone paid for Sync? I’m not going to call all Sync users money wasters. Clearly they found value in it. People who didn’t aren’t just cheapskates
The major issue for some is regional pricing. Where I’m from lifetime costs around $110 in regional currency
Someone correct me but IIRC the Reddit Is Fun paid version costed way less that 20$.
I hope they release Lemmy Is Fun or something.
He doesn’t deserve any reward for making spyware/adware garbage. His app is at odds with the ethos of lemmy. Fuck your ad hominem.
You can maneuver all you want, it is spyware. My hobby work is free. I don’t track my users nor do I inundate them with ads. I believe that’s unethical.
My work work is not available for free in any capacity whatsoever.
@drekly @Plswrk, nobody needs to work for free, but creating incommings by spying the user to sell his data to third party isn’t an acceptable way to gain money. There are a lot of methodes to gain money in the network, but with surveillance advertising spyware is the worse and with big risks for the user, which can’t control where his personal data ends up.
Lol wow… Get off your high horse there. I didn’t ask for Sync for Lemmy, so why should I pay for it? I’m perfectly happy with the many other free apps that are in development.
It’s weird to think people are using the web app on mobile, though… Like… Why? There are so many great free options! Like, seriously… More than half a dozen!
You got the money, you do you. His hardwork have nothing to do with how much i’m willing to pay lol, the end result is what i pay for, and it’s not worth the price to me.
All the self righteousness of lemmy is strange.
There’s not just better opinions, even small decisions are morally imbued and if someone steps out of line…
Wait, does using sync cause hurricanes? Earthquakes? Will the four big ponies of the lempocalypse arrive and snort angrily?
Otherwise, I get that a surge of people elated they have something you don’t/can’t have is off putting. FOMO is real.
But it doesn’t need all the meme-shade.
I think this is just a reaction to the massive amount of hype we all saw yesterday.
It’s a good app, but it’s expensive, potentially collects your data and shares it with advertisers, and it’s closed source. That’s the facts of the matter so far as I can tell…
The are pros and cons here, obviously, but it’s neither objectively positive or negative. With the pricetag comes unique features, like being able to tag people with notes. That’s neat!
Apt name.
My post had 3 downvotes (meh), so I’m taking that to mean it made sense.
What part of it didn’t make sense to you? The part where I indicate you’re playing innocent while throwing shade? People can see your post history.
Yeah, but people aren’t as creepy as you, crawling around others post history and posting irrelevant reply.
Ohh and i don’t care about downvote, this isn’t reddit anymore, time to grow up. So what if i’m throwing shade? The app isn’t worth the price, it’s too expensive, i talk about it, so what?
Voyager is free and the pwa feels close to a native app.
Voyager just started their TestFlight app version a few days ago and it’s really great (on iOS.) It added haptic feedback which is very nice, and fixes the freezing issue. Otherwise it’s identical, I think. I’d guess there will be an android app sometime.
I’m also testing Memmy and using Mlem - both are coming along great, but Voyager app version is the cleanest and my favorite atm.
Looking forward to trying Sync when it comes to iOS. Never tried it for Reddit - only used Apollo.
Looking forward to trying Sync when it comes to iOS
I can’t tell if you’re being serious or not…
I was just trying to be nice to the dev and fans tbh. I went straight to Apollo when the official app started burning up my phone years ago and never looked back, or at other apps. I had no idea Sync was never on iOS. 🤷🏻♂️ But if it ever is, I’d try it.
There was an iOS version of Sync, but it was on TestFlight for years with no actual release. It was also developed by a different person.
Voyager is indeed great, especially now that it has a native version.
However, I’d be really surprised if an iOS version of Sync for Lemmy came out. The Reddit version was developed for iOS by a different person and was in a preliminary stage for years. A production-ready release never actually came out.
I wish they also provided a way to disable haptic feedback. It’s annoying when I’m up late upvoting dank memes while my wife is sleeping
I think it’s very noble of you to upvote dank memes. You can show this comment to your wife: Fluxion is awesome and deserves to upvote dank memes whenever they please. This is the way.
So you can confirm the swipe back freezing issue is resolved on the iOS app? I’ve seen people say it’s still there.
If it is resolved, I am very excited to use it!
It’s technically still there, but it resolves immediately when you lift your finger now.
In my experience: In the PWA it consistently required lifting your finger and waiting for 1-2 seconds before attempting to scroll again. If you didn’t “not touch it” for 1-2 seconds, it would stay frozen indefinitely when trying to scroll up or down. This sometimes felt like an eternity for an otherwise very responsive experience.
In the TestFlight app, that 1-2 seconds is down to maybe .2 seconds or less. It’s nearly imperceptible - enough so that it feels like it’s fixed. But if you do use it in such a way that you encounter a freeze, you just lift your finger and immediately try again. There’s no additional waiting - just lift and continue.
So it feels fixed to me and I rarely freeze in the first place, but maybe the underlying problem still exists.
IOW: It’s as if an invisible overlay blocks your interactions after swiping back to the feed. That invisible overlay is now removed almost instantly instead of after 1-2 seconds. But if you try to scroll too quickly after swiping back, you might catch it while your finger is down. In that case, you can now lift and immediately continue. It’s consistent enough and minor enough that it could be played off as a feature that prevents you from accidentally scrolling after swiping back.
I haven’t personally experienced any bugs that would hold it back from an App Store release, so hopefully you’ll get it to try it for yourself soon.
How can I get it on Testflight? I am using Mlem currently and tried Memmy a bit. For now I look at Mlem as my Lemmy-app, because the comments are well formatted compared to Memmy, but Memmy is Open Source and has definetly the the better Icon. Yes, such things are important for me, too.
Voyager TestFlight link: https://testflight.apple.com/join/nWLw1MBM
I joined early on, so it may be full like they often are. If it is, bookmark and keep checking - especially during off hours.
Yeah i’m using pwa, and currently testing Thunder, liking it so far. Still not a good replacement if i want to do mod/admin work.
Will totally buy Sync ultra despite the bitching, but until it has mod tools and community browsing, amongst a list of missing feature found in the web app, i can’t justify the spending.
Are you sure it’s legit? From a quick look at the official GitHub repo’s README, I saw no mention of a native Android app (however I did see mention of the iOS app).
EDIT: dug a little deeper and saw mention of the Android app in the latest release notes (beta coming soon to the play store) as well as an empty Android studio project folder in the source. Maybe the actual code is somewhere on a different branch, but even so, I would be hesitant to install random APKs not coming from the developer themself.
Here it is on the google play store: https://lemmy.world/post/2613340
It’s fast and it’s about as native as most apps get nowadays. Kotlin on Android or Swift on iOS still run in virtual machines with GC not unlike Javascript. Nobody writes apps in C++ either. Maybe one day we will do it in Rust when there’s ever a good mobile GUI framework.
Also by fast I do mean fast. Much better than any other PWA or website I’ve ever used and on par with good native apps. There do be some bugs, I’ve run into two and they’re a bit annoying, but I’m sure they’ll be fixed soon enough. The dev is super active and it’s open source so anyone can contribute.
Much of the time you can’t really tell it’s not Apollo and that was the best reddit app hands down.
I do have a recent iPhone though. Maybe an older or lower end phone won’t be as fast. But even so, I would still recommend trying it.
Your argument for "as native as most apps” falls apart pretty quickly though.
I’m not saying it’s a bad app. I’m just saying it’s a badly made app, because JavaScript was a joke 30 years ago, it’s a joke today. (ThePrimeagen)
Most apps aren’t native, so being “as native” as the baseline average or better isn’t even saying much at all. They’re all using V8, and I’m slightly less disgruntled if they use something like React Native or whatever instead of Vue and virtual DOM stuff. This was brief but you get the idea.
Also, Xamarin and Flutter/Skia do exist.
Just paying a visit to lemmy because Sync is out, and all I’ve seen is this. Lemmy is just another reddit, isn’t it? People here are no better like what they believe themselves to be, still the same everywhere.
That’s so lame. I use morse code over a manual, human-translated, secure wire.
God you guys are such losers. I use semaphore shown to a string of orphans dotted along the hillocks of every country.
Yep, it’s literally just another Reddit. The main benefit is that it’s decentralized so it’s not under the control of a single corporation, but yeah, it’s mainly ex redditors on a service designed to be an alternative to Reddit
I hope that the lame jokes that were recycled for well over a year stay there, though. Certain repeated jokes were becoming just as annoying as ads.
Those “jokes” actually caused me to start blocking people, and I’ll do it again if I have to lol. It was like reading the same comment over and over again, which got pretty boring.
Well so far everything on lemmy has run on the goodwill of instance owners, lemmy maintainers, and app developers working for free. Sync as far I can tell is the only thing so far to bring an openly capitalist approach to lemmy, and it depends on the free hosting that instance owners are providing. I don’t have any problems with people wanting paid for their work. However, I can see how it’s a little jarring to see an app charge such a subscription fee while some big instances are struggling with hosting costs and likely pulling in much less in donations.
Sync as far I can tell is the only thing so far to bring an openly capitalist approach to lemmy
Sync’s pricing is inherently socialist. LJ owns his own labor and is able to decide what is done with it. If you don’t want to pay then cool, there are plenty of other options.
It’s also inherently capitalist. Maybe profiteering would’ve been a better word? As I stated above, I have no problem with people getting paid for their work. He can charge whatever the hell he wants.
This probably speaks a bit to the fact that reddit in itself was nothing special, and the people were making it what that is and what it ain’t was before it could be.
People moved here, so we’re seeing that here now. Reddit was a loss in the same way your favourite pub closing down was - ye had to find a new place.
Now, erm, clears throat… This is the way.
Yeah the majority of people, like myself, came here after leaving reddit so it’s not surprising. Some instances are already speed-running the censorship and mod abuse too. The lemmy.world admins decided to pre-emptively defederate from another instance purely based on the admins own ideological stance. Can’t possibly stand the thought of having people that have different political views than you being able to share those views, oh no. Gotta shut that down before it even starts. And remember - these are the people that call the other people fascists.
Lemmy looks more and more like reddit everyday. It was nice while it lasted, but confidently incorrect jerks like you who don’t even get the point of decentralised platforms are going to ruin it.
Lemmy is just another reddit, isn’t it?
No, not really. It’s all user supported and regulated without any admin oversight.
People here are no better like what they believe themselves to be, still the same everywhere.
Ok.
I’m just happy we have all of these choices.
The FOSS apps are fantastic already and Sync is there if you want that too.
