I’m helping a family member build a pc. He wanted to use Windows because “Linux can’t play games” despite me having a perfectly good gaming laptop running Linux that runs all my games, even graphically intensive ones.

2 days later, no game has been played yet. We can’t even get steam to start. I even installed Arch on a sata ssd I donated just to verify the pc parts actually work (took less than an hour). It took 1 and a half days to even get the Windows 11 installer to get past like the 3rd screen.

Fucking fuck. Dealing with all this fucking bullshit is far worse than not being able to play a few trashy anticheat pay 2 win games. The anti Linux circlejerk is real.

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I keep a virtual machine of 10. I don’t enjoy using it though.

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I think that’s what I will eventually do. Right now it’s still dual boot.

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Apparently there’s a way to run a vm from an actual disk partition, as long as you can be sure only the vm has access to the partition(s). I haven’t tried it myself yet though.

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It works pretty well. I did it with virtualbox.

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I was pretty worried I was gonna bork my drives so I never went for the full pass through. Sounds like unnecessary risk to me.

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Works great on VirtualBox - essentially, create a ‘raw VMDK’, and set up a virtual machine with that. Back when I thought that Windows was still worth dual-booting, I used to have it installed ‘for real’, but also installed so that I could boot it via VB. I always used to run Windows Updates when it was started in VB - that prevented the updates from making any BIOS changes and fucking up my GRUB configuration. It was also handy for file sharing and such like. Had far fewer problems with Windows in general that way, too.

Eventually, I realised that gaming on Linux is just fine, and the work-arounds were less effort than stopping Windows from shitting the bed in a dual-boot configuration. That was years ago; Linux gaming has come on a long way since then, too.

VBoxManage internalcommands createrawvmdk -filename /path/to/file.vmdk -rawdisk /dev/sda

https://docs.oracle.com/en/virtualization/virtualbox/6.0/admin/adv-storage-config.html

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Dual boot is like the hardest way because you have to stop using one to start the other. Virtual machine is the way to go IMO. Though I don’t have a Windows VM atm…

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Yeah, it’s a fricken nightmare… Windows is ok in a well managed corporate setup where all the crap is uninstalled

I bought a laptop recently which came with Windows. I was going to setup dual boot because I need Office365 for work… but in the end I just gave up, deleted windows and installed Ubuntu.

I hear lots of people used to using Windows saying “I tried Linux and couldn’t get anything to work”… it’s not that I don’t believe them, but I really struggle to understand it. Windows is so much worse!

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Is that a thing still? The last 3 companies I’ve worked for didn’t even remove the Xbox apps from windows. The most I’ve seen is disabling the windows store so installing Microsoft terminal and WSL becomes more difficult.

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Problem is that without the appropriate GPOs being setup, Microsoft will keep reinstalling the Xbox shit. And they keep changing how it happens so the GPOs need fixed every 6 months or so. It’s quite annoying, easier to just set one of my AV suites to attack and quarantine any games as malware and alert my team so we can have a talk with someone’s manager when they try to download destiny2.

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I tend to get the kind of Linux issues nobody believes.
Currently my installation “works” but none of the text mode boot up stuff displays at all so I have to dig out a spare screen if it gets stuck there.
Another screen I could never get the display scaling to work no matter what I did - I tried swapping cables, editing the resolution manually, different drivers, different distros, everything I could think of but it would always output 640x480 native pixels unscaled as a tiny square in the middle of the screen.

Windows gives me issues but it usually just works with every screen+gpu combination.

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What graphics card do you use, and also what kind of cable? Sometimes when using dvi in hdmi compat mode it cannot read the displays information and defaults to rendering with basic vesa drivers, or just defaulting to the smallest size to at least make sure that you have a picture

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No text mode is HDMI with a 3070, the monitor does have HDMI compatibility in the options but it’s off.
The no scaling was displayport, but AMD RX 5700 to a GSync display so that might have been the issue because it did actually work fine with NVIDIA cards.

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It’s a completely different set of problems with both systems. Problems with Linux are usually related to missing drivers, or the whole mess with having 40 kinds of software stores (and it’s 2023 and you still can’t update stuff like discord without running a command on the terminal).

Problems with windows are usually things like “if I join a call my phones stop playing stereo music”, or “there’s 50 different programs launching on system startup and it takes 5 minutes to even display my wallpaper”.

Folks get used to one of them eventually but when switching to the other all they think of is “I didn’t have to deal with this sort of thing there”

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Laypeople can and do have problems on Linux, sometimes due to defects or deficiencies, other times of their own making. For people beyond layfolk however, Linux is infinitely easier to troubleshoot and manage. I just came off such a troubleshooting spree I finished on my new corp Ubuntu workstation that would randomly go black screen and wouldn’t recover without a reset. Without information on the web, I was able to track down the culprit and come up with a workaround. If that happened to me on Windows:

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Why, were you too stupid to configure dual boot? I don’t imagine you’re having a better time with Linux. This is not hard stuff.

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I’m still using Windows on my gaming rig, and Pop on my laptop, and each have their own quirks.

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I’ve installed W10 like 2 years ago and it was one of the worst installing experiences in my life, so many unnecessary barriers.

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Dude windows works like a charm for me unless I start fucking with the drivers I really hope that fixes itself somehow because I do think windows is a pretty decent os and it sucks that it’s having that big of an issue

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I’m all for using Linux, and I’m considering moving my desktop over from Win 10, but I’ve never had any issues with the install of Windows. If it’s any level of modern hardware, it should mostly work out of the box.

These kinds of rants really trip my BS detector, because it’s just not that complicated. If you can handle Linux but can’t manage to even install Windows, I have a lot of questions.

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@UID_Zero
original article was about laptop. and i can think of a few reasons why it wouldn’t work
@GuyFi

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Ok go on then I’m intrigued

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Cursory Google searches will give you driver downloads. Dell/HP can give you a pre-bundled package of drivers.

Unless you’ve got some very unique hardware (or very old), it just isn’t that difficult to figure out.

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Windows 10 and 11 pretty much work in any hardware I’ve used. The last time I had driver issues was on windows 7, like 10 years ago.

These people are one of these 2: either they’re being dishonest, or they are admitting they don’t know how to install an OS that holds your hand so much that even my grandma could do it.

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Or they’re on something bleeding edge / trying to do something non standard with drive encryption or raid / want to avoid using Microsoft account / cut the spyware. Those are all not as easy as they sound.

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