Seeing a big “politics” community in both lemmy.ml and lemmy.world just confuses me as to which I should be subscribing to and I don’t really want to subscribe to both.
Guess this is just a downside of federated instances? There’ll never just be one “/r/politics” on Lemmy?
I’m just curious, what is the harm in subscribing to both for a little bit? If you feel they post similar content you can always drop one of them. Or if one ends up ‘winning’ then the problem is solved.
The problem is that while subscribed you see the popular posts twice. All of them. Sometimes even literally one after the other in the feed lol
Right now we just choose between seeing almost everything twice (sub to both) or missing a little (sub to only one).
I don’t really see it being too different from reddit when subbed to to subreddits that have similar topics. I’d see the same topic multiple times.
The thing is, I went to reddit for the discussion and it would be different depending on which community the post was in and that can be the case here. A news sub in lemmy.world is going to have a more general view but a news sub in my own instance will have more LGBTQ people in the discussions.
Honestly, I can see why some people find it annoying but in my experience so far it’s been fine. Do a sweep on lemmyverse, sub to all the communities around a given topic, never really think about which one it actually came from when I see a post in my feed.
There are some quite niche topics that have been unnecessarily split, essentially just because people want to be in charge rather than joining forces, but that’s people for you and railing about it isn’t gonna get us anywhere. From an end-user pov, subscribing to multiple has been fine.
Seems like this is probably the answer. We don’t need to not looking for a 1 to 1 replacement for Reddit and the variation we see in communities could end up bringing some vibrancy and more differing opinions on things around here.
To be fair, this often happened on Reddit as well. I was subscribed to 6 virtual reality subs, and at least that many 3d printing.
One issue I’ve found with this model is that content is being cross posted pretty heavily, meaning I’ll see the same post by the same person 5 times in the matter of a few minutes.
I’m trying to keep in mind that it’s still early, and communities are still finding their way. The ones that form an identity will have a larger base, and will become the de facto place that posts are made.
I don’t see this as a “bug” of Lemmy but a feature. What if mods get heavy handed because they feel ‘insulted’ and ban somebody simply out of spite. This gives the ability of somebody to form their own community of the same name on a different server without stifling speech. I sincerely hope that this does not get ‘fixed.’
TMW you realize there’s no downside to joining multiple communities for the same topic, even if they have the same name.
Imo there is, but it’s solvable. Personally, I almost always browse specific communities/subs and almost never scroll through my home feed. So multiple communities is annoying because it means jumping between each one on the list. Could be solved though, by just implementing a Lemmy equivalent to multireddits.
Exactly. And if one of them ends up sucking for any reason, you can drop it and be very glad that there were several. That’s very much the point.
I want to make sure people have a good experience here, but on this one, I really don’t get what people find so difficult about it…
This is why the decentralized approach is great. If mods get their heads too power swollen, one can form their own community and even on their own server if they wish. The approach lessens the potential for abuse.
Totally agree - it’s a wonderful freedom, but it also means as happened with Android recently that a large community can be closed down and redirected and there isn’t a policy to transfer or reclaim the space if it is locked by the one person who owns it. Not a huge issue now, but come the point large companies are moving to the space it could well get quite messy!
as happened with Android recently that a large community can be closed down and redirected
What’s this about?
From a different end-user POV, seeing the same stuff repeated is not fun. I would prefer to see everything once instead of choosing between seeing almost everything twice(subscribed to both) or missing a little bit(subscribed to one, blocked the other).
I don’t like it as well. People have to realize that Lemmy needs active members who are NOT part of the Nerd/tech bubble because they bring in a other type of content. I don’t know enough about the feediverse protocols to know wether it’s possible but what would help is if there where something like grouped communities consisting of multiple communities which are all about the same topic. Then you could search for e.g. “Cats” and it’s shows you this grouped community which subscribes you to all cat content. I know that there are web based tools which already do a similar thing for a transfer from Reddit to Lemmy but those Groups would have to be integrated into Lemmy itself to be user friendly.
This seems to be a big issue with the general fediverse community attitude to me. It reminds me a lot of the Linux community 10+ years ago, constantly downplaying some pretty huge technical hurdles that new people need to climb, and then wondering why it struggle so much to gain traction.
The Linux community still does that tbh. Just because it works for some to scout the internet for jUsT tHrEe CoMmAnDs, doesn’t mean that it is easy or accessible to folks that just want a working system with working hardware acceleration (in the example of Fedora refusing to include codecs & a working MESA driver by default). Some people really enjoy making their and other’s lives harder 🙄
The lack of working hardware acceleration is mostly NVDIAs fault for not providing open sourcr drivers, and the community’s effort at reverse engineering the GPUs has been nothing less than Herculean. As for codecs, Fedora is derived from Red Hat, which is an enterprize distro and does not include (proprieatry) codecs to avoid licencing issues. Every problem you have listed is a result of corporate fuckery and not of Linux.
As for tech support, with Microsoft you can click the “diagnose” button, which does nothing, or spend a lovely time with an outsorced call Center which again, does not solve the problem.
I really don’t understand the hostility towards nerd/tech oriented communities. Every time an online community dares to be on the nerdy side you get people loudly proclaiming how that’s the worst thing ever, and that we need to expand until every Tom, Dick and Harry has a user acount.
Usually, when a site is adopted by the general public, the quality of the posted content goes down the toilet. Bots, shills and intrusive advertising follows, and the site dies a slow death. Reddit’s r/all was a museum of ragebait, reposts and celebrity gossip, and I certainly don’t want Lemmy to do an enshittification speedrun because some users refuse to learn how the fediverse functions.
I do not have a problem with the nerd/tech bubble being on Lemmy and I am not hostile towards them. I have a problem with them being the ONLY community able to participate because how complicated some aspects of this platform are. Why would Lemmy have to be ONLY “on the nerdy side”. Different people with different interests can coexist because you can create whatever community you want and they can also decide what content they want to see or not. Who are you talking about when you say “We”. It’s not like you or the tech community owns the feediverse. They might host most of the servers because guess what tech savvy people know how to do that but that’s just part of the problem.
I strongly disagree with the whole idea of a site going down in quality when everyone uses it. There will be more bad content but only because there will be immensely more content in general which is the major benefit that Reddit had. “Bots, shills, ads” are a side effect of a site being popular and you can’t have the one without the other. Reddit did not die a “slow death”. Before the whole API things millions of people browsed Reddit everyday and created interesting content. If you don’t like r/all the solution is obvious: Don’t go there. Only visit the parts of the site that you are interested in. That’s the whole concept of the home page. It has nothing to do with users refusing to learn but rather the site making it harder that it has to be.
The “complicated aspects” are the central idea of the platform as a whole. The concept of multiple servers united by a single protocol is not that hard, and any user not being able to grasp something as elementary as that would not make a good community member. Call me a snob, elitist, whatever. Lemmy is not a commercial project and has no YoY growth projections or sharholders demaning growth at all costs, and I would like it to remain so.
To make matters worse, I’m on Beehaw, which has defederated from Lemmy.world, so I can’t see the politics community on there even if I wanted to.
It’s one thing having different instances, but quite another when users on one instance can’t see the communities of another.
On the other hand, having two different communities does mean that people in my situation could still participate on one of those.
Beehaw defederated with lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works because both of those instances allow(ed?) registering without email verification/captcha. They said it is bringing bots and spams. Haven’t seen this issue personally. I recommend being a member of an instance that still federates with both lemmy.world/sh.itjust.works and Beehaw.
Lemmy.world had open signups. There was a large influx of trolls that took advantage of the open signups to do so and then brigade Beehaw. The Beehaw admins like and respect the lemmy.world admin and anticipate defederation.
This might have to come from the app developers. The app is the one pulling from different instances so they will have to be the one that combines things from all over into one feed
Love this idea - can definitely imagine merging communities with the same name being a clean solution.
