Is there any set of circumstances where dems would ever take meaningful, organized action against The Party?
No, because Dems aren’t meaningfully organized in the first place. It’s not really a Party, it’s an extremely loose alliance of convenience.
Then he shouldn’t have run his mouth. Anything that is promised as a campaign “I’ll do this” that can’t be followed through on should not be said. Since he did say it, since he did say a lot of shit that he absolutely reneged (like the arch-settler he is) on, I consider him an absolute fraud who doesn’t deserve my support even before his carceral segregationism, his strike-breaking, his shouldn’t-be-surprising-he’s-a-settler taste for genocide, or whoever ends up squaring off with him.
I want him to actually force the opposition to vote and rule against him, rather than just give up prematurely because they might vote and rule against him. And when they do vote/rule against him, just do it again. Over and over until it’s clear who the enemies of Americans really are.
Or go farther: just fucking ignore the Court. Go full on “the Court has made its decision, they are welcome to enforce it.” What are they gonna do about it?
(He won’t do that because it would undermine the legitimacy of both the Legislature and the Court, might collapse the government lol)
If he can do nothing then why is this failure demanding to be rewarded with another term when people’s lives are on the line? How many times must he and his party fail while blocking any alternative before you admit that this is intentional?
So Trump is some genius politician who is able to use the presidency to make the USA a dictatorship but widdle Biden just doin his heckin best in an unfair world, not his fault he couldn’t do even the smallest things he promised.
Your world view requires holding two contradictory thoughts about the power of a president at the same time while mine is far simpler: Biden lied to you.
And thus you are coopted into the system and all your good intentions are funneled into fighting against yourself and the people trying to build the alternative.
A series of faux-wonk stratagems, mostly about nonexistent rules or norms or Kabuki about Blue Dogs or whatever, that are intended to make the audience feel very smart and informed but are actually just PR firm-approved talking points that have been used for 50 years to keep you compliant and money flowing to and from the right people, genociding the “right” people, putting the “right” people’s children in slavery and picking through garbage.
At some point you should notice the pattern and read a little more deeply than bullshit liberal talking points.
Anyways it’s clear you prefer Reddit brain debate so let’s try that. Surely you’ll respond to that, right?
If someone else is out there who can plausibly beat Trump I’m happy to support them
I don’t care how you vote. It especially doesn’t matter for the presidency due to the electoral college and the fact that you are just one person. The point is to understand the nature of bourgeois electoralism and the fact that people have been buying this same line for 150+ years. You’re treating it like politics is just a team sport of voting. This is a limited view of the political landscape that is intentionally sold to you lest you begin organizing with your fellow common humans to make demands.
It’s not one person’s failure though. Presidents have limited powers in our system.
Cool then why are you pissing yourself over Trump? You are maintaining an absurd contradiction by eating up partisan nonsense: presidents are weak babies that can’t do anything when they’re a Democrat and are dictatorial Hitlers out to take absolute power when Republican.
What would you have him do next that the Republicans and Centrists can’t counter?
Issue sweeping executive orders and fight hard for them. Play hardball with the party he is the head of. Democrats actually show you exactly what they can do when they punch left, they just choose not to against their supposed right flank. In reality, they prefer to have that right flank and keep them just at the point of preventing action with plausible deniability so that they don’t need to run counter to their donors’ interests.
You can’t imagine a Democratic leader fighting hard for their promises because you’re buying their feigned helplessness routine. But it’s not really hard to imagine, is it?
I get the anger but unless that anger gets directed at something concrete to fix things, it’s screaming into the void.
Your anger is directed into spending a bunch of time thinking about how helpless your folks are and trying to explain Civics 101 to a bunch of communists that know more than you about it because you have no idea what people on the left think. And into voting, apparently? Sounds like a self-description.
We organize humans to implement on a more expansive definition of political action that includes workplace organizing, direct action, organizing parties and radical issue-focused groups, and occasionally socialist candidates for office.
What do you do?
Trump has a plan to implement authoritarianism in this country - conservatives run the courts and congress is impotent.
This country is already authoritarian and it starts with the dictatorship of your workplace where you get to choose between following orders or risking homelessness. Liberals don’t even know what authoritarianism could mean beyond “a bad thing where the government orders bad things to happen” because, in terms of political sophistication, they are children with next to zero knowledge of history or world politics. To break out of this, they need to challenge the narratives handed down to them and begin reading histories and how the world functions.
If he gets in, we will see a major attempt at right wing authoritarianism in this country that we’ve never seen before. Unless people are willing to tear down the system, and all I can tell - the will isn’t there on the left, we need to do more than crucifying a president who did a lot more for progressive causes than the last 50 years of presidents.
Absolutely meaningless statements. Biden is an old-school Dem reactionary who made a name for himself by supporting credit card company interests and segregation, then writing the crime bill. He used his position of power in the Senate to launder a case for war on Iraq following the civilian-targeted sanctions the decade prior, helping to wipe out millions of Iraqis. As President he has primarily pulled back social spending, allowed Roe v. Wade to fall without even attempting any kind of fight (Dems want to use it to whip votes like yours), busted the rail strike, continued the full-pressure campaigns to stoke war in Ukraine and genocide in Yemen and Gaza, continued and escalated Trump’s provocative policies towards China and Iran, and is even helping build more border wall while continuing large-scale internment and deportation policies, including against refugees. Biden is a right wing reactionary that the party tells you is “progressive” (whatever that means. Respect yourself and don’t let them manipulate you like that.
Incidentally, while trying to do the Very Smart lib thing in being strategic by always carrying water for the people that fuck us over and pretend they can’t do anything good, consider thinking past a single election cycle. When all you’re offered is dogshit and you cheerlead for it, don’t be surprised when the people who expect promised things to happen to withdraw their support and consent for you and yours, because they are the people with consistent and reasonable expectations and a far better political strategy. You’re actually helping to build the conditions for full-throated fascism by ensuring that the only “opposition” will be one that is easily disposed of and becomes nearly unsupportable by the rest of the population. Joe Biden is the epitome of this and folks hate him. Ask yourself why you’re trying to convince them to stop demanding something better. Ask yourself what happens the next election, and the one after that, and the one after that, if you’re always backsliding and making excuses for material degradation of people’s lives.
I am pissed too, but this meme is just a bad take.
Who are you pissed at?
It doesn’t matter if it’s intentional (and what does intent even mean when you’re talking about so many people), what matters is this is the best result you’re going to get out of Democrats at this point. A speedbump on the way to worse things, unless they’re doing the worse things already.
This is one of the most frustrating things.
They really need to pick either “Biden is the only person who can stop fascism” or “Biden literally doesn’t have the Blower to do anything”
Cus when they’re still saying the second one as fascism rises it makes me doubt the first one.
Not the Supreme Court – you thinking of having control of both the House and Senate?
hm, who’s fault was that. Why don’t you tell me about Biden’s track record with the supreme court?
Ever notice that republican presidents are extremely dangerous threats to the entire world and dem presidents are tiny babies who can’t be expected to accomplish a thing? Ever notice how whenever the dems have a trifecta, there’s always juuuuuuust enough of their own party members fighting them to prevent any action?
Who is going to stop the president from ignoring a court order? Don’t forget that the judicial branch firstly just made up their powers of judicial review, and have always relied on the executive branch for enforcement. I bring the up because Undermining the power of the supreme court is in and of itself a positive and democratic end, because the president is at least a little bit democratically accountable, while the supreme Court isn’t in any way. To put it another way, an unelected council of lifetime appointees isn’t a democratic institution. You are right that this isn’t entirely genocide joes fault, the entire bourgeois “two party” regime is to blame. He is just the face of said regime
He resumed student loan payments via fiat and built the weakest case possible for forgiving loans. He is surrounded by climbers that specialize in policy fuckery.
Stop pretending the people you think are your team in the system are all incompetent or, worse, just trying their best. They fail deliberately for material reasons. The things you’re saying are their flimsy excuses that you should feel insulted by.
Is there any set of circumstances where dems would ever take meaningful, organized action against The Party
If you mean establishment Dems, they would take quick, ruthless action against anything that would threaten the police state or US imperialism abroad
Man, federation really is reminding me of Reddit, every bozo with 10 fingers and roughly enough braincells to work them keeps popping in on every political post now that we’re approaching election season
‘How dare you make a post critical of my team, you’re supposed to hate conservatives moarrrr, NOOOOOOoooOOO you’re going to help THEM WIN’
Or we get the ‘oh, Biden ACSHUALLY did all these things (provides list of bills which materially helped nobody here and in some instances actively made people’s lives worse)’
Biden made a campaign promise and failed to follow through on it. He lied.
Like he did about helping codify Roe, like he did about stemming COVID, like he did about making immigration humane (all he did was pass an EO making sure ‘alien’ got changed to ‘migrant’) (and hell his AG fought to have the ability to detain ‘migrants’ indefinitely), like he did about gun violence, like he did about healthcare reform, like he did about infrastructure, like he did about climate change, like he did about everything
‘Oh he’s not a king’ bitch he can unilaterally pass EOs, and then it’s up to courts to determine if they’re permitted or not (and he can ignore them and order federal officials to uphold them anyway, ask Andrew Jackson and the Cherokee, Muscogee, Seminole, Chickasaw, Choctaw, Ponca and Ho-Chunk/Winnebago peoples)
‘Oh but then conservatives could abuse that power’ they don’t already? And you’re going to use that as an excuse to never do anything better?
You’re sitting in a lake of piss moaning about how nothing can get better instead of…trying to get out of the piss lake
Word. Sums up my thoughts on the matter of “uwu smol bean powerless joe” perfectly. It’s pathetic hwo allergic libs are to weilding power.
Well, they’re happy to wield power against us (Occupy, Ferguson, election shenanigans against the Green Party, etc.). They’re just “allergic” to it when it’s against their supposed “enemies across the aisle”. This is one of the big things that makes it so clear that there’s only one party: the Business Party, or Liberal Party, or whatever you want to call it.
“If Republicans are going to do what you’re saying, then Biden should Order 66 the entire Republican Party.”
If they really gave a shit they would have done it on January 7th. Instead, their most spineless sychophants demand that I be the one to give a shit instead. Like clapping for Tinkerbell, they can’t stop the other team unless you believe!
Like they do to…oh, I don’t know, Black socialists who speak out against war. Liberals’ fear about how bad it would be if Democrats actually decided to take action against Republicans is literally already what they do to leftists. The world they claim to be terrified of is the world we are already living in, and supporters of this status quo fascism have just happily helped pull the blinders down over their own eyes.
If you’ve got the technical know-how you can make a bot that does that, like the ‘whataboutism’-bot one of the comrades here made upon my request.
Is there any set of circumstances where dems would ever take meaningful, organized action against The Party?
If The Party were to even speak of supporting communism, dems would immediately revolt
