278 points

The sweetener is aspartame

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it’s always aspartame

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Hero.

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King.

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The “solution” was diazepam.

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1, it’s aspartame

2, Mice aren’t humans, and routinely, things that happen in mice do not happen in humans. It is not at all indicative of anything and can really only be used as a hint better than nothing for looking into similar effects in humans.

You don’t need to change your diet, and you certainly don’t need to replace it with sugar.

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*But drinking a glass of water from time to time won’t kill you either.

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30 points

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14 points

Comment paid for Big Aspartame.

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12 points

Deep Sugar take

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2 points

I see the Nutrasweet Lobbyists Association is here too!

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9 points

Big aspertame made that account 6 months ago, posted 1300 unrelated comments, just for this one moment…

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3 points

The long con!

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9 points

How much is Big Sugar paying you?

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1 point

Not enough :(

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Considering the patent was held by Monsanto, and all the decades of concerns have been raised by independent researchers but shut down by lobbying…

Well, I mean, who can you trust to not hide that they’re making poison if not Monsanto?

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8 points

Removing all forms of added sugar would probably make everyone feel better. Even minimizing natural sugar intake.

Sugar is terrible, there’s no doubt about it. Artificial or otherwise.

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There’s no research that indicates the currently used artificial sweeteners are bad for you.

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Theres mixed analysis over the decades, actually, and different groups have different conclusions.

https://www.everydayhealth.com/diet-nutrition/sweet-n-low-dangers-still-exist/

Overall, id say limiting added sugars (natural or artificial) is rpobably better for your health long term

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Eh, IIRC there’s research that if you eat incredible amounts it’ll likely be bad for you. But it’s a lot and the equivalent amount of sugar would be way way worse.

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Eh, IIRC there’s research that if you eat incredible amounts it’ll likely be bad for you. But it’s a lot and the equivalent amount of sugar would be way way worse.

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Your lemon curd is full of thickener (egg yolk) and sugar (honey) too.

What thickener did they use? Soy lecithin? That’s the same thickener as found in your egg yolks.

What sugar? Just regular sugar? That has a similar glycemic index as honey.

Concentrated lemon juice is just lemon juice without the water. Was there also water in the recipe?

Sounds like your stomach trouble was due to something else. I’m not saying the lemon curd you bought was good quality, but it probably wasn’t much different than what you make. And those scary ingredients are the same as the ones that you already use.

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Absolutely nothing wrong with a diet high in fruit and veg, both of which contain significant amounts of sugar.

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You are correct, the caveat “added sugar” or added sweetener in this case is the important bit.

Fructose doesn’t have the same health effects of sucrose for some reason and the sugar you eat in fruit and veg come with fiber which helps keep our blood sugar from spiking.

I was shocked to learn that dates, which are basically candy, have a pretty reasonable glycemic index.

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Fruits make me just as sick as any other source of sugar. Fruit is just candy in a natural wrapper.

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there’s little research to show sugar dangers to be more than correlation

fat people eat a lot of sugar. fat people also eat a lot. eating a lot is how you get fat, drinking calories just happens to be a fast track to getting fat. diet soda happens to be physiologically like drinking water. fat people drink diet instead of sugar coke thats already 200-1000 calories of their day GONE with very very minimal change.

then those fat people supplement the lost sugars with more food and they gain weight. then you get studies showing GUYS DIET SODA CAUSES WEIGHT GAIN (in fat people)

but no its not the sugar its not the macros its YOU eating too much and you can eat less to lose weight that’s just simple science. body types, “nuance”, “bad metabolism”. none of that shits real it all stems from shitty dietary choices and lack of muscle.

all of this to say unless theres medical issues or medical intervention your weight and body type is 100% in your control should you choose to take control

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How about all the research that shows sugar is addictive AF

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There’s nothing inherently bad about sugar. It’s just energy. If you intake more energy than you burn it’s getting stored for future use (you get fat). The same goes for almost anything “unhealthy”. Manage your energy intake and almost nothing is unhealthy.

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The biggest question in this thread, who would downvote this?

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Probably people who are a bit sketch about the “even natural sugars” bit, since that removes a TON of otherwise healthy food options. Minimize added sugar, sure.

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Not to mention that the gene pool of these lab mice is super small. Source: my brother is a PhD biochemist and lectured me often on this shit when I said, “hey, look at this study!”

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The small gene pool is done on purpose. The mice are supposed to be as close to clones as possible so that you can have control populations and be confident that the results weren’t affected by certain genes and mutations in the test population.

The size of the gene pool isn’t really an issue though because they can be bred however it’s required for tests. They have quite a lot of control over the genetics of those lab mice.

Testing for a cure for diabetes? They can produce mice that are almost guaranteed to develop diabetes that you can then try to cure.

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Such a small groups are fine for initial investigation, they have enough of a size to be acceptable statistically for most of the performed studies. I don’t think they’d get approval from ethical committee overseeing animal experiments without initial study like this to conduct something on very high groups.

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I am a relatively recent transplant from the red place, I can tell I ain’t in Kansas anymore, actual good information being up voted so cool.

Aspartame is, because of all the claims against it, the single most studied food substance known, and it seems to somehow keep coming okay. There are a lot of studies with really bad methods that were a smear job attempt but science doing what it does they were labeled for what they are and disregarded. Is it possible to be allergic and a reaction to be anxiety sure, but that is not on the food.

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Guarantee the study also states that you have to consume an ungodly amount of it too…

News reports grab on to stuff like this all the time. Like what they did with safrole.

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The article actually states how much. 15% of the daily recommended amount.

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There’s a daily recommended amount for mice? Or was that 15% of the recommended amount for humans, which would be massive for mice?

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I stand corrected! That’s a ridiculously small amount!

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Oh, good! I thought it was the rapidly declining state of the world.

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The control was plain water. That seems like the sort of methodological flaw that would preclude a study from publication in a journal like PNAS.

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It’s so bizarre that you wouldn’t have other sweeteners in other experimental groups and, especially, an experimental group that was actual sugar.

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Can you elaborate why do you think that water is improper control?

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They’re providing a sweetener at all times. That alone would have some affect, so I’d think you’d want another sweetenere like sucrose, glucose, some other artificial sweetener, in addition to a water treatment. Alternatively, a dose response could be informative. They did have different doses of aspartame, but in both groups of mice (male and female), the dose response was opposite what you’d expect; the lower dose had a larger effect.

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Sugar shills and don’t touch my diet coke ppl in this thread doing Spidermanpointing.jpg

Stevia crew represent.

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Stevia is great, but I really love monk fruit. No licorice root like aftertaste. I have more of a problem with the carcinogenic preservative they always pair with aspartame personally.

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I don’t mind monk fruit all that much but it definitely has its own particular flavour which can require adjustment too. Bit of its own aftertaste as well.

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The only good Natural Low calorie sweetner

J prefers that munkmunk sauce

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