Two days before the January 6 insurrection, the Trump campaign’s plan to use fake electors to block President-elect Joe Biden from taking office faced a potentially crippling hiccup: The fake elector certificates from two critical battleground states were stuck in the mail.

So, Trump campaign operatives scrambled to fly copies of the phony certificates from Michigan and Wisconsin to the nation’s capital, relying on a haphazard chain of couriers, as well as help from two Republicans in Congress, to try to get the documents to then-Vice President Mike Pence while he presided over the Electoral College certification.

The operatives even considered chartering a jet to ensure the files reached Washington, DC, in time for the January 6, 2021, proceeding, according to emails and recordings obtained by CNN.

The new details provide a behind-the-scenes glimpse of the chaotic last-minute effort to keep Donald Trump in office. The fake electors scheme features prominently in special counsel Jack Smith’s criminal indictment against the former president, and some of the officials who were involved have spoken to Smith’s investigators.

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The crazy thing is that they still have millions of followers, even after these things come to light. If I saw any politician I like do anything remotely close to this, I’d instantly change my mind.

I guess this is where the lack of neurons instantly trigger the reptilian “fake news” and “Joespiracy” response.

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It is, indeed. Even crazier to think just how bad they are at an attempted dictatorship and still having faith that they would carry out what their followers are expecting them to without also catastrophicly fucking that up once in complete power.

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Unfortunately, it doesn’t matter to their voters. It will hopefully matter to enough independents and moderates.

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It’s oddly pleasing that the slowdown in mail caused him pain/inconvenience.

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caused by none other than his own appointee DeJoy, whose entire goal in the USPS is to dismantle it and privatize it… talk about reaping what you sow lol

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Yet he’s still holding the same position for some reason… its baffling he hasnt been replaced

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The person who could replace him is a Democrat. Now watch the excuses flow.

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My USPS is normally quite good, and it was a drastic difference during that time. I’m so glad my state decided to also provide official drop boxes and a mechanism to track where my ballot is at any given time.

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My USPS straight up loses (steals?) like 25% of my packages. It was never great but it hit new lows in the Trump years.

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Yeah, my state too. I’m usually good about mailing my ballot two weeks before but I’ve been taking it to the county courthouse drop box instead.

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I hope this is true so I can use it the next time my dad goes on some diatribe about how the democrats are ruining the country or how he couldn’t vote for any other than Trump in good faith.

If this is true, everyone who continues to support him is outright against our country.

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You think this is gonna change a single MAGA mind? Your dad will just put his fingers in his ears and chant fake news.

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My brother, a Canadian who is socially liberal, economically conservative, and virtually apolitical thinks the fake elector thing is bs.

He doesn’t care if it did or didn’t happen.

I am not saying this to contradict you. I am supportive of your point. This is unlikely to even remote reach most people in a meaningful way, let alone die hard Trump fans that somehow think he’s a virile, brave, genius business person with big hands and an animal musk that Larry from Three’s Company would envy.

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🎵 Come and knock on our door… (Come and knock on our door) We’ve been waiting for you… (We’ve been waiting for you)

Thanks for putting it in my head.

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It’s just brain washing. They keep saying the Democrats are ruining the country and if you don’t vote for trump you won’t have a country. They say it over and over nonstop until people believe it. They say it on Fox News they say it on tweeter. And they encourage their peers to say it. It’s insane that it works so easily. I’m appalled and amazed at the same time.

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It’s an easy thing to spread, because there’s a kernel of truth to it. Democrats are ruining the country. They’re just not doing it half as quickly as Republicans are.

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You can see how administrations work, during republican the tax cuts for the rich get thr economy in shambles, then enters a democrat, and suddenly gets better, and repeat.

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There’s a kernel of attempt at future genocide in it, not truth

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If you click the article, you can hear recordings of this happening and read the emails where they plan it.

It’s definitely true. Clear, unambiguous language is used throughout all evidence.

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Audio recordings don’t mean shit to these fucks. They’ll just grab it by the pussy and toss it into their basket of deplorables where some, I assume, are good. The whole thing will blow over by Easter.

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That was the case even before this news.

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Your dad is a total loss, bruv. Sorry - that’s just how it is.

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That should be the smoking gun right there. Wonder what kind of lies and bullshit they’re going to throw at this one.

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Idk I thought the live televised insurrection was going to be the smoking gun lol

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“Let’s have trial by combat!”

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There’s so many smoking guns at this point you can field an army with them.

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I think everyone is so bumfuzzled because they didn’t hide any of it. It was out in the open, live tweeting acts of treason. Smoking guns are really important when you didn’t watch them load the gun, aim the gun, and shoot the gun. We all saw the entire crime in real time, and it’s weird that justice is taking this long.

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But the president has immunity.

The idea that a president is above the law is insane. Also ignorance of the law is not a get out of jail free card.

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The more significant the accused is, in terms of the survival of our democracy, the more ironclad and formality-adhering the prosecution must be.

The wheels of justice turn slowly, and these cases are moving forward at a pretty solid clip. It’s not uncommon for a murder trial to take place a year-plus after an indictment, as an example.

This will be analyzed much more closely than even a murder trial, so it is important to jump through every possible hoop.

As for smoking guns, this evidence is a fucking Napoleonic battlefield of smoking guns.

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And then they use the fact that they didn’t hide any of it as evidence that it couldn’t have been illegal.

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What smoking guns? There’s so much smoke I can’t see anything through it!

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Yes but right wing media does not cover these things and even worse: They give their audiences fresh, daily propaganda suggesting that crimes like this are no big deal (unless Democrats do them) and that the opposition will always seem so, so much worse than the worst Republican criminal.

It’s the argument right wingers always fall back on when they’ve lost an argument or have run out of ways to change the topic: The other side is worst or “just as bad”. No. No they are not and objective reality proves this. There’s so, so many more criminal prosecutions and convictions of Republicans/conservatives in general than there are Democrats/liberals.

Those on the right will claim the justice department is out to get Republicans yet law enforcement and the justice department itself have vastly more Republicans/conservatives. If there’s a crime to uncover on the Democrat side of things they are actively and wholeheartedly looking for it.

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Wonder what kind of lies and bullshit they’re going to throw at this one.

Bog standard “plug their ears and scream FAKE NEWS” with a dash of “rules for thee, but not for me”.

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Yeah, I’ll just throw it on this pile of other smoking guns we have here.

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Two days before the January 6 insurrection, the Trump campaign’s plan to use fake electors to block President-elect Joe Biden from taking office faced a potentially crippling hiccup: The fake elector certificates from two critical battleground states were stuck in the mail

Reminder that Trump’s Postmaster General sabotaged the post office’s handling capacity in order to interfere with absentee voting.

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Yeah how come that everyone already has forgotten about that one? I remember people having problems with receiving critical medication (and that was just a ‘side effect’) because of this yet nobody’s talking about it anymore

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The other side literally did that for a position they had no legal argument for until SCOTUS invented it for them.

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