70 points

People still don’t know what the incognito mode does, huh

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The name is blatantly misleading. The very definition of the term “incognito” means having one’s true identity concealed, so I can’t blame anyone with comprehension of the English language for being misled at a glance. However, like anyone else here, I do not expect this to lead to any actual progress toward more privacy.

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I strongly agree, the name should be something that better reflects what it does. Evidently, many people are being misled by it.

Maybe that could be grounds for a lawsuit. After all, deliberate manipulation of users to leech as much data as possible is certainly not something Google is afraid to do, so it stands to reason that this is what they’re doing with incognito mode, too.

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The names of the similar features in other browsers aren’t much better but most browsers are pretty clear about what it protects against and what it does not protect against.

Chrome mentions that it doesn’t hide you from the websites you go to on the incognito window new tab page and their documention:

https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/95464

They’ve also had mentions that it doesn’t protect against everything since at least 2013:

Going incognito doesn’t affect the behavior of other people, servers, or software.

Edge mentions it on their InPrivate window new tab page and their documentation:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/browse-inprivate-in-microsoft-edge-cd2c9a48-0bc4-b98e-5e46-ac40c84e27e2

Firefox mentions it on their private browsing window new tab page and their documentation (and highlights it actually):

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/private-browsing-use-firefox-without-history

Safari doesn’t mention it in either place from what I can tell:

https://support.apple.com/guide/safari/browse-privately-ibrw1069/mac

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7 points

True, but it also explicitly states on the incognito new tab page that it doesn’t prevent tracking. Personally, I don’t see Google losing this case.

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Does it not add to your history so you can search sketchy or embarrassing things? I never thought they weren’t tracking my rewatches of BLACK MEAT ANAL HEAT 6, just that the phrase wouldn’t show up in my search history or recently visited. I’m not going to NOT rewatch a classic like that, but I don’t need it popping up in my history when I’m about to give a presentation

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3 points

Exactly that. It doesn’t save any history, and that’s pretty much it.

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What does it do?

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49 points

It opens a separate session in the browser and prevents saving any cookies, history or other state locally when you close it. Doesn’t change a blessed thing on the other end of the connection.

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27 points

Most browsers even tell the users that, very clearly. I hate Google with a burning passion, but this lawsuit is just dumb.

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Also in the past I’ve observed that the Google indexing bot will visit a site right after a Chrome user visits the site. So if Googlebot knows nothing about abc123.com and then a Chrome user visits it, then suddenly Googlebot is crawling the site. I wonder if that happens when the Chrome user is in incognito mode?

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Adding to what the other person said.

The main purpose of it is if you’re sharing the computer with someone else. You don’t need to worry about your kink searches showing up in the search history (or whatever you don’t want other people in the household to know about).

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This isn’t about every website tracking you regardless. Chrome kept logging browsing information even in incognito mode.

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To be more accurate: Google websites kept logging browsing information, even when using Chrome’s Incognito mode.

Ideally, a website shouldn’t be able to detect whether the browser is in private browsing/incognito modes at all. We’ve already seen news sites using the ability to detect private browsing to enforce paywalls for example.

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Its still quite a bit. Just because they are worth 1.66T doesn’t mean they have that to spend

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11 points

It’s not about the money, it’s about sending a message

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3 points

But it would get publicity, further open up a conversation about privacy, and change (some) users’ minds.

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It’s a closed browser from a data mining company, of course it kept on mining the user. The “The user didn’t want this tracked” is probably juicy information to mark what they were looking at with.

This will be an interesting case.

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19 points

“Your honor, our terms of service clearly state that we watch every user jerk off, and they consented to it”

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2 points

It really shouldn’t be that interesting

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5 points

How is it not? If there is good proof, that’s interesting. Is the judge and jury able to rule well with that information? How does Google respond if found guilty? Proof, verdict, response, each has interest to privacy.

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22 points

Fuck Google

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8 points

I don’t like any of the big brand name companies TBH… Maybe Costco n that’s it

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6 points

Costco is the 🐐

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5 points

I feel like Costco isn’t what it used to be. Deals aren’t as good

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But, where are deals good as they used to be tho anymore?

U Kno what I mean?

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So brave.

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This is the best summary I could come up with:


On Monday, a California judge denied Google’s request for summary judgment in a lawsuit filed by users alleging the company illegally invaded the privacy of millions of people.

The people suing Google say that occurred because Google’s cookies, analytics, and tools in apps continued to track internet browsing activity even after users activated Incognito mode Chrome, or other similar features like Safari’s private browsing expecting a certain level of privacy.

Judge Yvonne Gonzalez-Rogers pointed to statements in the Chrome privacy notice, Privacy Policy, Incognito Splash Screen, and Search & Browse Privately Help page about how incognito mode limits the information stored or how people can control the information they share, writing, “Taken as a whole, a triable issue exists as to whether these writings created an enforceable promise that Google would not collect users’ data while they browsed privately.”

Finally, given the nature of Google’s data collection, the Court is satisfied that money damages alone are not an adequate remedy.

Injunctive relief is necessary to address Google’s ongoing collection of users’ private browsing data.”

The lawsuit was filed in 2020, seeking “at least” $5 billion in damages, and as reported by Mike Swift for MLex, the ruling was not entirely surprising, as the judge had indicated she’d do so, but it is a big one as it moves the case closer toward settlement or a trial.


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