This is the best summary I could come up with:
On Monday, a California judge denied Google’s request for summary judgment in a lawsuit filed by users alleging the company illegally invaded the privacy of millions of people.
The people suing Google say that occurred because Google’s cookies, analytics, and tools in apps continued to track internet browsing activity even after users activated Incognito mode Chrome, or other similar features like Safari’s private browsing expecting a certain level of privacy.
Judge Yvonne Gonzalez-Rogers pointed to statements in the Chrome privacy notice, Privacy Policy, Incognito Splash Screen, and Search & Browse Privately Help page about how incognito mode limits the information stored or how people can control the information they share, writing, “Taken as a whole, a triable issue exists as to whether these writings created an enforceable promise that Google would not collect users’ data while they browsed privately.”
Finally, given the nature of Google’s data collection, the Court is satisfied that money damages alone are not an adequate remedy.
Injunctive relief is necessary to address Google’s ongoing collection of users’ private browsing data.”
The lawsuit was filed in 2020, seeking “at least” $5 billion in damages, and as reported by Mike Swift for MLex, the ruling was not entirely surprising, as the judge had indicated she’d do so, but it is a big one as it moves the case closer toward settlement or a trial.
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Fuck Google
I don’t like any of the big brand name companies TBH… Maybe Costco n that’s it
Am I reading this right? As far as I can see, the complaint seems to be that Google would be “tracking” people even if they browse in any browser’s incognito mode.
Of course they do. If I open a private window in Firefox, and then login to Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Reddit, or any other website, these websites can try to track me. How would any browser control what happens or doesn’t happen on the server side of things?
These plaintiffs would be better off sueing the companies of these websites for ignoring privacy laws and continuing to add tracking scripts to their sites.
Yes, there are browsers that try to send as little personal information as possible, like the Tor Browser, but even that one can’t disable a Facebook server’s internal logging data - how could it? All modern browsers make it quite clear what their respective incognito mode does - and what it doesn’t do.
You’re missing the fact that Google is both the company behind the most popular browser used to access content on the internet and the most popular website on the internet. Their browser says incognito mode offers protections that their website then runs roughshod over. They’re the perfect company to sue over this because the website can’t shift blame to the browser and the browser can’t shift blame to the website.
Their browser says incognito mode offers protections that their website then runs roughshod over.
That’s the point of my comment. I won’t say “don’t sue Google”, I’ll say “sue Google, but actually read what it says when you open an incognito window”. Offers protections against other people who use this device. And that’s it.
Their browser doesn’t say that it protects you from websites (including their own) tracking you.
Also, they consider it a problem if a website can detect if you’re using incognito mode: https://www.blog.google/outreach-initiatives/google-news-initiative/protecting-private-browsing-chrome/
Chrome will likewise work to remedy any other current or future means of Incognito Mode detection.
Having a signal sent to websites to tell them that you’re in Incognito mode would make things worse for users and would probably work about as well to reduce tracking as the Do Not Track header.
These plaintiffs would be better off sueing the companies of these websites for ignoring privacy laws and continuing to add tracking scripts to their sites.
That’s precisely what these people are doing. They’re not suing Google because Chrome doesn’t prevent these sites from building profiles and tracking users even while in Incognito Mode, but because Google themselves are engaging in such privacy invasive tactics.
I think we might agree on the last part, but that’s exactly the point of my comment. If these people are suing Google for privacy invasion tactics, all the more power to them.
But the headline infers the opposite: “lawsuit over ‘incognito mode’ tracking”. This reads like the plaintiffs don’t understand what this “incognito mode” actually does.
People still don’t know what the incognito mode does, huh
It opens a separate session in the browser and prevents saving any cookies, history or other state locally when you close it. Doesn’t change a blessed thing on the other end of the connection.
Most browsers even tell the users that, very clearly. I hate Google with a burning passion, but this lawsuit is just dumb.
Also in the past I’ve observed that the Google indexing bot will visit a site right after a Chrome user visits the site. So if Googlebot knows nothing about abc123.com and then a Chrome user visits it, then suddenly Googlebot is crawling the site. I wonder if that happens when the Chrome user is in incognito mode?
The name is blatantly misleading. The very definition of the term “incognito” means having one’s true identity concealed, so I can’t blame anyone with comprehension of the English language for being misled at a glance. However, like anyone else here, I do not expect this to lead to any actual progress toward more privacy.
I strongly agree, the name should be something that better reflects what it does. Evidently, many people are being misled by it.
Maybe that could be grounds for a lawsuit. After all, deliberate manipulation of users to leech as much data as possible is certainly not something Google is afraid to do, so it stands to reason that this is what they’re doing with incognito mode, too.
The names of the similar features in other browsers aren’t much better but most browsers are pretty clear about what it protects against and what it does not protect against.
Chrome mentions that it doesn’t hide you from the websites you go to on the incognito window new tab page and their documention:
https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/95464
They’ve also had mentions that it doesn’t protect against everything since at least 2013:
Going incognito doesn’t affect the behavior of other people, servers, or software.
Edge mentions it on their InPrivate window new tab page and their documentation:
Firefox mentions it on their private browsing window new tab page and their documentation (and highlights it actually):
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/private-browsing-use-firefox-without-history
Safari doesn’t mention it in either place from what I can tell:
https://support.apple.com/guide/safari/browse-privately-ibrw1069/mac
This isn’t about every website tracking you regardless. Chrome kept logging browsing information even in incognito mode.
To be more accurate: Google websites kept logging browsing information, even when using Chrome’s Incognito mode.
Ideally, a website shouldn’t be able to detect whether the browser is in private browsing/incognito modes at all. We’ve already seen news sites using the ability to detect private browsing to enforce paywalls for example.
Does it not add to your history so you can search sketchy or embarrassing things? I never thought they weren’t tracking my rewatches of BLACK MEAT ANAL HEAT 6, just that the phrase wouldn’t show up in my search history or recently visited. I’m not going to NOT rewatch a classic like that, but I don’t need it popping up in my history when I’m about to give a presentation
