176 points

Bernie should have won.

Fuck everyone who voted for Hillary in the primary to guarantee a trump presidency.

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It was less that and more the Democratic Party completely rigging the election, and committing election fraud, in plain sight for the primaries.

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It’s also the way baseless smears (he owns more than one home! He once wrote something that, if taken completely out of context, is misogynist!) were amplified by neoliberals. The same neoliberals that would throw a hissy fit if someone mentioned how much Hillary “earned” from speaking to banks and hedge funds.

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Or that she said marriage is between a man and a woman. Just ignored that one didn’t they(

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23 points

My understanding is that the US primaries are private affairs and the organisations can pick their candidates however they want. The democrats certainly did some unethical shit to snub Bernie in favor of Hillary, but I don’t know if Primary shenanigans can qualify as the crime of election fraud (unless some of the states protect their primary elections in the same way they do for real elections).

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No, they can’t legally qualify what happened as election fraud, but I certainly qualify it as such.

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See this is what I disagree with when you have states that actually fund the two parties. In Washington there are tax allocated resources for the gop/dems and third parties get screwed. So I think it’s messed up when the party head just gets to pick.

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the Democratic Party completely rigging the election

Its very hard to do the “Vote Blue No Matter Who” rah-rah election dance in The Most Important Race of Our Lives, when you’ve got “elections are horribly run and routinely compromised by party insiders” rolling around in the back of your head.

I’ve been a Texas resident for my entire voting life, and the GOP nakedly fucking with the elections process is just something I can’t talk about to anyone.

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As a Texan, I concur. I’ve talked about it.

It either falls upon deaf ears, or it’s quietly agreed to and pushed into the background so as not to cause waves.

When polite discourse doesn’t work, it leaves people looking for alternatives to talk.

Sadly, being humans, violence inevitably is proposed at some point.

I don’t condone violence, but Martin Luther King Jr. made a salient point, “A riot is the voice of the unheard.”

The grand experiment that was America is crumbling before our eyes, and I am unsure if we as Americans can make things better without it getting worse first, and ultimately becoming something else in its place.

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16 points

I didn’t see any election fraud. Can you explain how the fraud worked?

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I don’t have any specific memories or sources on hand since it was like 8 years ago. So by all means take this with a fairly large grain of salt.

But I’m pretty sure it had something to do with the DNC actively pushing for Hillary and denying Bernie the same resources and privileges guaranteed to other candidates. Like there was a substabtial amount of money that was intended to go to the nominee, but Hillary got it well before the primaries. Also there were the emails that got leaked from DNC execs who were very openly against Bernie and discussing ways to debase him or otherwise get support for Hillary to beat him despite their role as neutral orchestrators in the primaries.

We don’t know everything. Really just the email leaks and a few reports here or there. But judging by what we do have it paints a pretty damning picture for what we don’t have.

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https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/358389-the-dnc-owes-bernie-sanders-and-all-dems-an-apology/

Now I get that this source is mainly speculative, and dependent on eyewitness account, but with how everything took place in 2015-2016, I fully see the above being a completely valid happening.

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They destroyed the Iowa caucus.

That was 2020 though.

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10 points

Debbie Wasserman Schultz

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Debbie Wasserman Schultz is absolute scum. More people should hate her.

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31 points

Bernie should have won.

Its funny, because one of the worst things about him has been his decades-long staunch support for the Israeli state.

The big difference between Sanders and Biden is that he’s cognizant. The ship is turning on US support for Israel and Bernie sees it. But Biden’s got his head entirely lodged inside the Beltway news circuit. He’s more worried about how Claudine Gay’s firing is going to impact his poll numbers than what horrors Netanyahu plans to inflict on Gaza in order to force Palestinians into a Congolese exile.

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It was a bit telegraphed that she backed away from Obama with promised of party electors after he left office. The r’s appeared to have known as well, because they were attacking her his whole presidency. The dems made a deal with a powerful political block in their party, and the r’s capitalized on it. If her ego would have let her back down, whole different world.

But her ego wouldn’t let her back down, so here we are.

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11 points

The DNC fucked him over man. No one wants a real progressive who cares about people as president.

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125 points

i am once again thanking you bernie sanders for saying the things

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Whoever is still claiming that Bernie doesn’t speak truth to power anymore hasn’t been paying attention for the last month or two. Better late than never to return to being the chief advocate for what the people wants but most of Washington doesn’t! ✊️

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Whomever is still claiming that Bernie doesn’t speak truth to power anymore

Who ever claimed that? It’s essentially been the man’s entire career. If he wasn’t publicly speaking up early enough in this case, I’m sure it’s because he was bending ears behind the scenes.

Not arguing with you, just sort of aghast that anyone (magas excepted - but we expect their opinions to be trash) would try to claim he’s not a true servant of the people.

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Who ever claimed that?

A SHITLOAD of people.

It’s essentially been the man’s entire career

True. I didn’t say they were right, just that they were saying it.

If he wasn’t publicly speaking up early enough in this case, I’m sure it’s because he was bending ears behind the scenes.

No doubt about it.

Not arguing with you, just sort of aghast that anyone (magas excepted - but we expect their opinions to be trash) would try to claim he’s not a true servant of the people.

Agreed, though I’d add Neoliberals and people who don’t have any ideals of their own but still like discussing politics for the tribalism and the mud slinging. Of course, there’s significant overlap between these groups…

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He has been publicly speaking since the start basically.

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Whomever is still claiming that Bernie doesn’t speak truth to power anymore hasn’t been paying attention for the last month or two.

Hasnt been paying attention for the last decade or 4…

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11 points

You know how neoliberals and their propaganda machine be…

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2 points

Whomever

Nice try, but it’s “whoever” this time 😉

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6 points

Whomsoever, bitches

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4 points

whoms’tsoever, pls.

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Fair enough, gonna correct that real quick 😁

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84 points

But without Isreal as an intermediary, how are politicians supposed to funnel billions of dollars to their friends in the defense industry?

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And without letting Israel demolish and “resettle” Gaza, how are they supposed to get their hands on all of that sweet offshore gas that the Palestinians aren’t letting them have anymore?

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You’d think this would make the oil industry actually push for an independent Palestine, but oh well.

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Nah, they know that an independent Palestine wouldn’t play ball. The Israeli government would after stealing the territory, though.

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11 points

Still plenty of kit needed in Ukraine.

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And how can they justify a proxy genocide against Islam without Israel?

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Europe is rearming and we could arm our Kurdish allies.

Or we could keep selling tanks to cops. Heck maybe suburban Iowa could use some police owned AA guns.

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Easy: we just start a proxy war somewhere else. Throw a dart on a map of the global south, and you’ll probably be ok.

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Meanwhile congress is slap fighting over who gets to kill the poor

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Blame their constituencies.

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80% of Democrats support a ceasefire.

Why don’t 80% of Democratic politicians?

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Because they know they can get elected without opposing Israel.

Which goes back to their constituency.

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