Lol what does this matter?
Israel committed so much more heinous atrocities I honestly give no fuck that an oppressed people have a terrorist group lashing out using a hospital as a base.
Israel lied about the sexual assault and baby mutilations, they are ar performing genocide and they’ve oppressed these people for generations.
Fuck Israel
honestly give no fuck that an oppressed people have a terrorist group lashing out using a hospital as a base.
You’re rooting for terrorists operating from hospitals.
I am in shock that you think this is defensible.
You’re rooting for terrorists performing genocide
If my two options are terrorists doing a genocide and terrorists doing a war crime (because of you know the genocide they’re facing and decades of oppression)
It easily makes sense why.
You’re rooting for terrorists performing genocide
I don’t support Hamas, the only group actively and openly pursuing genocide in this conflict.
It matters because one of the charges leveled against Israel is that they bombed a hospital just to genocide Palestinian babies. Clearly, Hamas was using said babies as human shields, which is a war crime. Now the shoe is on the other foot and Hamas apologists don’t like it, so now you just say it doesn’t matter, lol.
Nope the shoe literally cannot be on the other foot.
Israel funded Hamas.
Israel has developed this culture in Gaza because of the treatment of Palestinians.
Israel has far more money and resources.
So the instigator with more money/power in the situation causing a genocide after decades of racial abuse gets no pass that shoe cannot go anywhere else
All of Hamas’ actions are only happening because of Israel. Sorry
It’s probably true that Netanyahu funded Hamas for cynical reasons. The Israeli right-wing coalition definitely needs to go. But you can’t justify Hamas terrorism againsr civilians because the Palestinian people are angry and oppressed. Hamas has agency. They aren’t some inexorable force of history. They choose to be terrorists. Hamas was already a radical terrorist organization in its own right, and was duly elected by the people of Gaza as such. Fuck those raping terrorists.
All this back-and-forth revenge is, of course, just a vicious cycle and shouldn’t continue. But I am a little tired of this faulty reasoning that Israel is the bad guy just because they are more powerful. Palestinians and Israelis have both done things to provoke violence and both sides have, at various times, rejected peace and compromise. But Hamas is unambiguously a terrorist group that stokes division and whose sole purpose is to eliminate Israel. Hamas is a barrier to peace and will get no sympathy from me.
Why they need to justify something we all know is a lie?
Hmm, I seem to recall US Intelligence swearing that Saddam Hussein definitely had WMDs and was definitely about to use them on his own people and we definitely needed to invade Iraq to stop him. US Intelligence is not a fact or truth seeking operation; its purpose is to further American imperial interests all else be damned.
One does not really need US intelligence’s confirmation to undestand that the use of human shields is standard operating procedure for islamistic terrorists. It’s not that they don’t care about their own citizens but they simply don’t see getting martyred as a bad thing. Quite the opposite.
To me it comes down to a strategic approach. In how many ways is it possible for Hamas to actually hurt Israel in a significant way? Not very many, even thousands of civilians dead doesn’t genuinely weaken the country much. But they can make Israel hurt themselves, by basically making them go evil and lose their allies.
Similar to how Bin Laden very much succeeded in his goals for the Sept 11th attack, by getting us to pass the Patriot Act, invade some countries and start ripping ourselves apart imo.
Regardless, arguing this position on here is going to be like trying to swim up a waterfall. Israel has gone too far, and the hate against them is too strong because of that. The middle of a war is not the time for nuance.
edit for a qualifier
To me it comes down to a strategic approach. In how many ways is it possible for Hamas to actually hurt Israel in a significant way?
Perhaps they should have focused on governance instead of martyrdom.
Similar to how Bin Laden very much succeeded in his goals for the Sept 11th attack, by getting us to pass the Patriot Act, invade some countries and start ripping ourselves apart.
Bin Laden’s goals were to get Americans to replace their government with one that would get out of the Arabian peninsula and stop supporting Israel. He consummately failed.
To be fair, they also said Russia was about to invade Ukraine and no one believed them.
Hasn’t the IDF been in control of the hospital for like a month, and are yet to produce any evidence (those 3 rifles and the calendar don’t count)?
They kidnapped the hospital director and tortured him until he confessed that he was Hamas. That’s way better than video and photo evidence of the huge base they claimed was underneath the hospital.
Look at this cool video of this 3d animation the IDF made before they started attacking the hospital. That looks more realistic than real life. In fact it looks so realistic that actual video footage wouldn’t do these tunnels justice. Which is why the IDF isn’t providing it.
You can trust Bidens word. Surely he would never lie about completely unverified ridiculous Zionist claims
Hopefully they’re giving real intel to the decision makers, but anything released to the public is intended for influence purposes. Nothing in their mission requires or even encourages telling the general public true things.
They gave the wmd ‘intel’ to lawmakers who were then pressured into supporting the illegal US invasion of Iraq.
Not much has changed since then. Hell, the Afghanistan Papers detailed how everyone in the intelligence community knew the war was a lost cause, but it still came as a shock to most law makers.
So funny seeing people here react to any news regarding Israel and Gaza. Bomb falls in parking lot of a hospital, Hamas says 20 minutes later 500 dead, everyone believes the and it takes weeks to disprove their claim and bunch of sources to analyze and report on their findings. Any non-Hamas source says terrorists are using terrorist tactics… entire lemmy goes: fake, discredited, Israel ally is lying for them, etc.
And down-votes that are coming on this comment just go to prove how big of a supported to terrorism people here are.
My issue is more with people supporting a genocide because Hamas exists.
Few people have a problem condemning Hamas, but when Israel is clearly killing far more civilians and bombing more hospitals than Israel, obsessing about the lesser problem (who were Israel-funded in any case) is deeply suspicious.
On no account should any genocide be tolerated or supported. Am merely pointing out how differently people react on different kind of news. Not to mention how frequently people confuse Palestinian cause with Hamas cause.
You have one downvote. From me. And yeah if you’re going to bomb a protected target we’re going to want to see the evidence. You don’t just get to shrug and mumble something about terrorists.
Protected by whom? International rules of war which were never respected in the first place?
So far, you’ve characterised support for a group that’s being genocided as supporting terrorists, and made it clear you don’t care about warcrimes. You’ve implied you care about hospitals being bombed, but that doesn’t seem to apply when the bombing is done by the group bombing the majority of the hospitals.
You need to stop and ask yourself if you’re backing the bad guys, my guy.
“Terrorists” is the 21st century equivalent to “savages” to justify imperialism and genocide. US propagandists can stfu.
Call it what you like. The fact is they hid behind civilians, kidnapped other civilians and tortured them. Or is cutting off womb of a pregnant woman with baby still moving in her now not savage because we don’t want to identify with US?
Got other made up stories? Time and time again has shown that every single thing that comes out of the mouths of US and Israeli politicians is a lie unless proven otherwise.
My issue is that on the (?second) day of the war, a group of Western reporters were presented with “evidence” of the planning that had gone into the attack, and I found the “evidence” to be laughably bad - the evidence itself, the supposed circumstances it was found under, the condition of the evidence - all were bad. And if you present such incredibly poor “evidence” at one point, I’m going to automatically be much more suspicious of any other “evidence” you present later.
Again this shit?
