US Intelligence Propagandists
It’s sad the New York Times has fully turned into a Zionist propaganda outlet the last few days.
So funny seeing people here react to any news regarding Israel and Gaza. Bomb falls in parking lot of a hospital, Hamas says 20 minutes later 500 dead, everyone believes the and it takes weeks to disprove their claim and bunch of sources to analyze and report on their findings. Any non-Hamas source says terrorists are using terrorist tactics… entire lemmy goes: fake, discredited, Israel ally is lying for them, etc.
And down-votes that are coming on this comment just go to prove how big of a supported to terrorism people here are.
My issue is that on the (?second) day of the war, a group of Western reporters were presented with “evidence” of the planning that had gone into the attack, and I found the “evidence” to be laughably bad - the evidence itself, the supposed circumstances it was found under, the condition of the evidence - all were bad. And if you present such incredibly poor “evidence” at one point, I’m going to automatically be much more suspicious of any other “evidence” you present later.
My issue is more with people supporting a genocide because Hamas exists.
Few people have a problem condemning Hamas, but when Israel is clearly killing far more civilians and bombing more hospitals than Israel, obsessing about the lesser problem (who were Israel-funded in any case) is deeply suspicious.
On no account should any genocide be tolerated or supported. Am merely pointing out how differently people react on different kind of news. Not to mention how frequently people confuse Palestinian cause with Hamas cause.
“Terrorists” is the 21st century equivalent to “savages” to justify imperialism and genocide. US propagandists can stfu.
Call it what you like. The fact is they hid behind civilians, kidnapped other civilians and tortured them. Or is cutting off womb of a pregnant woman with baby still moving in her now not savage because we don’t want to identify with US?
Got other made up stories? Time and time again has shown that every single thing that comes out of the mouths of US and Israeli politicians is a lie unless proven otherwise.
You have one downvote. From me. And yeah if you’re going to bomb a protected target we’re going to want to see the evidence. You don’t just get to shrug and mumble something about terrorists.
Protected by whom? International rules of war which were never respected in the first place?
So far, you’ve characterised support for a group that’s being genocided as supporting terrorists, and made it clear you don’t care about warcrimes. You’ve implied you care about hospitals being bombed, but that doesn’t seem to apply when the bombing is done by the group bombing the majority of the hospitals.
You need to stop and ask yourself if you’re backing the bad guys, my guy.
U.S. Intelligence Says
The actual news here is the declassified document. Which according to the article is just a note saying we believe the IDF.
Yup totally confidence inspiring.
While the spy agencies provided no visual evidence, a U.S. official said they were confident in their assessment because it was based on information collected by Israel and America’s own intelligence, gathered independently.
Lol what does this matter?
Israel committed so much more heinous atrocities I honestly give no fuck that an oppressed people have a terrorist group lashing out using a hospital as a base.
Israel lied about the sexual assault and baby mutilations, they are ar performing genocide and they’ve oppressed these people for generations.
Fuck Israel
It matters because one of the charges leveled against Israel is that they bombed a hospital just to genocide Palestinian babies. Clearly, Hamas was using said babies as human shields, which is a war crime. Now the shoe is on the other foot and Hamas apologists don’t like it, so now you just say it doesn’t matter, lol.
Nope the shoe literally cannot be on the other foot.
Israel funded Hamas.
Israel has developed this culture in Gaza because of the treatment of Palestinians.
Israel has far more money and resources.
So the instigator with more money/power in the situation causing a genocide after decades of racial abuse gets no pass that shoe cannot go anywhere else
All of Hamas’ actions are only happening because of Israel. Sorry
It’s probably true that Netanyahu funded Hamas for cynical reasons. The Israeli right-wing coalition definitely needs to go. But you can’t justify Hamas terrorism againsr civilians because the Palestinian people are angry and oppressed. Hamas has agency. They aren’t some inexorable force of history. They choose to be terrorists. Hamas was already a radical terrorist organization in its own right, and was duly elected by the people of Gaza as such. Fuck those raping terrorists.
All this back-and-forth revenge is, of course, just a vicious cycle and shouldn’t continue. But I am a little tired of this faulty reasoning that Israel is the bad guy just because they are more powerful. Palestinians and Israelis have both done things to provoke violence and both sides have, at various times, rejected peace and compromise. But Hamas is unambiguously a terrorist group that stokes division and whose sole purpose is to eliminate Israel. Hamas is a barrier to peace and will get no sympathy from me.
honestly give no fuck that an oppressed people have a terrorist group lashing out using a hospital as a base.
You’re rooting for terrorists operating from hospitals.
I am in shock that you think this is defensible.
You’re rooting for terrorists performing genocide
If my two options are terrorists doing a genocide and terrorists doing a war crime (because of you know the genocide they’re facing and decades of oppression)
It easily makes sense why.
You’re rooting for terrorists performing genocide
I don’t support Hamas, the only group actively and openly pursuing genocide in this conflict.
