cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/1213100
Archived version: https://archive.ph/KnuKV
Archived version: https://web.archive.org/web/20230808193804/https://www.euronews.com/2023/08/08/sweden-struggles-to-handle-the-fallout-from-repeated-quran-burning-protests
Reich-wingers saying that Islam is an "anti-democratic, violent and misogynistic religion/ideology” is just hilariously hypocritical. Not that I necessarily disagree 100%, but it’s not like SD’s values are really too different from your average islamist’s.
Defund religion
I mean in this case it’s a secular group attacking a religious group though?
until you get cancer… then cancer is cancer… and then most people get religion…
Burning a piece of paper that you rightfully own is not “attacking a religious group” and should never be construed as such. Objects are not people.
Any sort of law that prevents you from doing something just because a specific religion doesn’t want you to do it is inherently forcing their religion upon you. That should never be allowed.
Yeah but usually it’s just a dumb “eDgEy” thing to do. It’s the same as maga psychos burning books. Fuck all that shit.
One has a right to burn any book they own.
If that offends you, perhaps it’s not the country for you
That’s an easy take.
Let’s play with the idea. It’s legal to burn photographs.
Now imagine if your child died in a horrible way. Someone then comes up to you and burns a photograph of your child in front of you. It’s perfectly legal, but you’d probably be less cool about it. But hey, perhaps this isn’t a country for you? No, it’s obviously a shitty thing to do because it’s a deliberate action to trigger to you. (Shit like that has actually happened.)
The book burning idiots could go buy as many Korans as they like and have a mighty bonfire in their backyard and no one would bat an eye, but that’s not what they do. They go in front of the embassies of the countries that they want to provoke, call the press for coverage and post it everywhere so people can see how brave and free they are, hiding in the safety of free speech.
If they actually have anything to say to the religious leaders, they should go fucking say it to them. They don’t. Because they know there’d be very real consequences if they did it in Iran. They aren’t brave enough to do that.
I don’t give a shit about the importance of religion or bonfires, but I am pissed that these idiots are abusing the freedom of speech to spread hatred. They don’t want to burn books because they like fire. They do these “protests” because they’re racist assholes who want Muslims to feel unwelcome.
With freedom comes a responsibility. They aren’t being responsible with it.
I have heard of black metal. I have also heard black metal itself - I think I’ve heard elevator music that’s less boring than black metal.
Burning books like this requires enough targeted hatred and a need to offend the targets. It also is usually more effective if your target is a minority (not specifically racial, just a much weaker target), as that bolsters your position of power and lessens the likelihood of retaliation.
Atheists sometimes have that much hatred, but at least where I am Christianity isn’t small enough to be a minority, so the fear of backlash might be holding back some of the hatred type atheists.
Another reason may depend on why someone became an atheists. Many of us don’t hate religious people directly, we just have issues with what organized religion gets away with. People like me came to this conclusion by comparing scientific evidence to blind faith. By nature, faith will be more emotional and reactionary, whereas if you come to a position after learning and changing yourself, you’re more open to understanding why it’s not really a good idea to hate like that.
Though I’d call myself agnostic vs an atheist.
Russian psyops in full swing baby
Look, I am not pro russia or anything but like, how? The phenomena of people with ortodox muslim beleifs being really, really offended desecration of Quran isn’t exacly new. How would Russia play into this?
The guy arranging the burning of the Quran this spring, have been working for RT and have a Russian wife. The play here is to agitate Turkey to make the NATO process more difficult
All these countries criticising Sweden for this like they have no understanding how freedom of speech and the right to protest work.
