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I can see why on the surface you might think it’s a conservative meme, but it’s not. It’s poking fun at how rigid and yes potentially racist fantasy settings can be.

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You’re just trying too hard to justify the meme, OP’s title is about cancellation, probably just copied wherever OP found the meme, and the meme itself is phrased to push the point that “woke” ruins even fantasy literature, this is a Right wing meme post.

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I can assure you the title is tongue-in-cheek for humor. You’re reading way too much into it.

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Lighten up man

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Racism is a fantastic way of introducing conflict without having to come up with a particular reason. And stories without conflict are often really boring. Comes with the bonus points of being realistic.

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Unironically, the elves aren’t racist against orcs. Orcs were elves that got corrupted.

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Soooo… You want the fantasy racism to be justified?

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I’m pretty far left and I chuckled at this. This is why the right makes fun of us for not being able to take a joke.

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I’m pretty sure they have other, worse reasons.

I also chuckled.

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Frodo isnt real my guy

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There’s no such thing as being cancelled, mature people just call it “consequences for actions”.

So there is such a thing but you’d prefer people use different word for it?

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Orcs aren’t people.

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Well I know who’s next in line for a little chat.

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Don’t elves have a visceral hatred for orcs, what with them being originally elves brutally deformed and beaten into submission by Morgoth and all that ? If anything, most elves would like you a bit more for being racist towards orcs.

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Elves are super racist toward pretty much every other race.

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Whoa man. Keep those ideas back in the first age where they belong.

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Jay we talked about this

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They absolutely are people. They clearly show intelligence and sapience. They may be people with morals that are opposed to the other species and they may be at war with them, but dehumanization (depersonization?) isn’t the answer.

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Their entire species was created as a magical weapon. The funny thing they’re really supposed to represent the cruelties of industrialization. Tolkien was not a fan of what England did with technology.

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Sure, but that’s irrelevant. The only questions are: are they sapient? And do they have free will? If yes to both, i.e. they can choose their own way, especially once Sauron’s magical control is gone, then they are people.

Saying they aren’t people because someone created/bred them for a specific purpose kinda feels like the people who argue certain dog breeds were bred for X or Y and therefore they should be culled/banned/etc. It simplifies the living creature too far and doesn’t allow them to branch out from what they originally did. It’s essentially genocide on the orc front.

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They are constructs, imitations of life, animated by the evil will of Morgoth and his foul apprentice Sauron. They’re no more people than ChatGPT is people.

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Are you suggesting that just because their ancestors were tortured beyond recognition that they are no longer worthy of basic rights?

That’s definitely a hot take if I’ve ever seen one.

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I absolutely agree with you. However you could make the point, and of course I am not making that point, but one could argue that there was also some genetic engineering involved, that allegedly might have led to some qualityies that some might call a teeny tiny bit murderous.

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More or less a central pillar of the Mormon Church racism.

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It’s a dagger that was made by elves, Galadriel.

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Please don’t use the E word, thanks. The preferred nomenclature is ‘Firstborn of Iluvatar’. DEFINITELY NOT ‘pointy ears’

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These knife-eared snowflakes get whinier and whinier

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Elves made the sword in the first place…

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Yeah and honestly that doesn’t do much to silence the idea of racist origins funny enough.

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And then she made a bunch of Jade eggs for your puss puss and sold them.

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Do you think that’s Ginuwine Paltrow?

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Galadriel is Cate Blanchett

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You’re confusing Cate Blanchet with Gwyneth Paltrow.

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