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I can’t really comment on how much is a sufficient amount of training for law enforcement, cuz fuck if I know. There’s certainly no shortage of problems from cops, but is the root of that problem their training? I suspect it has more to do with the quality of applicant / screening in the hiring process. There are a handful of kinds of people who’d be interested in a career in law enforcement, and most of those are the kind of person who shouldn’t be trusted with ANY authority.

You can’t train someone out of being a shitty person.

Tbh the column on the left is the one that elicits more of a ‘seriously?’ from me. Why in the everliving FUCK would I need more than a couple youtube videos worth of insight + a cert showing you understand how and why to clean sharp shit between clients to give hair cutting or nail painting a shot? Result might not be pretty right out the gate; but legally speaking, who cares? Price it low until your skills increase.

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You might not be able to train the shitty out of a turd, but you can raise the cost of entry and weed out some dingleberries. If the required effort is higher and the time commitment greater, it might deter some folks.

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And that’s the exact reason why barbers and cosmetologists require that much training. Because it works.

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Regulatory capture

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If any cop is as good at their work as I am on Slay the spire they’d do their job properly, shitty person or not!

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You can’t train the shitty out of someone? You can have them supervised for a lot longer and if they have the pattern they fail. That is the exact purpose of pointing out the difference.

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Wtf? Why does an interior designer need training?

Isn’t it just like picking colors and furniture?

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Actually you might be surprised how much building code interior designers have to know.

For example, in California permanently installed kitchen islands are required to have electrical outlets on either side. You gotta know that to design the kitchen in a way that won’t get your clients in trouble.

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So people don’t trip on cords connected to the walls?

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But that actually comes into effect when your contractors start pulling prints and applying for permits.

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Usually, but in Florida you have to follow very specific rules so no one realizes you’re gay.

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Place the colours of the rainbow on too many walls? Believe it or not, straight to jail

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Maybe this is a case of interior designer and interior decorators being different things

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Right, like the difference between a landscaper and a landscape architect.

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And you are officially less of a harm and more productive for society. Thank you for your service.

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While I agree that police need more training and psychological evaluations… How much of this is because job training schools lobbied for needless licenses and things to be covered under those licenses? Does someone really need 1600 hours of training to cut hair?

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Yes - the system is fucked pretty thoroughly.

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It differs state to state but being a barber and cutting hair are not the same thing. A barber’s license is one of a few different ones used to get a job cutting hair. The thing that barbers generally do that others don’t is provide a shave. Use of a straight razor along with health and safety is part of the training.

For context a full time bachelors student is pulling about 600 hours in one 15 week semester.

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You can absolutely use a safety razor. Best haircut place I ever went to for my military cuts did so. If it’s a scissors and buzzers cut, anything over 40 hours is just exploitation.

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