105 points

To become an American police officer.

Other countries have somewhat higher requirements

  • Norway - 4500 hours

  • Finland - 4500 hours

  • India - 4000 hours

  • Germany - 4000 hours

  • Australia - 3500 hours

  • Spain - 2880 hours

  • United Kingdom - 2250 hours (plus if they want to carry a gun significant additional hours)

  • Canada - 2080 hours

  • New Zealand - 1924 hours

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Australian here. Our police are still shit after 3500hrs just FYI.

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31 points

Have they shot anyone randomly lately?

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34 points

No, they dont seem to even show up to crimes that are actively being committed.

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8 points

thank you i was looking for this.

the many hours of training do make a difference in quality of work. i feel like german and american policeforce are barely compareable

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i’ve played over 12,000 hours of Fallout 4.

I’ll take my PhD now, thx

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Fallout 4 was released 2,985 days ago.

12,000/2,985 = an average of 4 hours a day, every day, no days off.

Probably the best value purchase you’ll make in your life.

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Probably the best value purchase you’ll make in your life.

that’s why, after around 10k hours, I finally paid for it, lol.

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17 points

Lol jesus

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12 points

That’s what I did with Far Cry 3, but couldn’t get the stupid launcher to work on linux, so ended up pirating it again.Great work Ubisoft!

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7 points

Can I get that in $/hour ?

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8 points

Hmm, what did it cost at launch? Probably $60?

6,000 cents / 12,000 hours = 0.5 cents per hour.

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3 points

Lots of Netflix hours on that one, I’d bet.

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20 points

Here is your theoretical Doctorate of Science.

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9 points

Thank you, Professor, I humbly accept.

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EA Bethesda only counts microtransactions when advancing your degree

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4 points

Microsoft doesn’t own EA… yet.

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4 points

Please tell me you accidentally added an extra 0 when you weren’t meant to…

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7 points

well… not as a typo…

covid was rough.

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4 points

What is there even to do in Fallout 4 to justify even 1,200 hours, much less 12,000?

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Or you could spend 12k hours enjoying your life and not worrying what others consider “productive”

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Entertainment is not 🚫 a thing you want to master. Watching 1000 movies gets you nowhere. Reading 1000 self care and business books will get you higher than binging TV.

Lmao fam really thought they were doing something with this

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8 points

No thanks. I enjoy my rest and relaxation.

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1000 self care and business books

Will rot your brain thoroughly. If you had spent that time instead reading 1000 pieces of actually good literature, there’s plenty of stuff you could’ve actually learned, instead of just having people tell you that you can count your golf trips as business expenses, and “stop being depressed it’s all about your growth grindset”, and “please buy the next book in this course it will really tell you how to make a bunch of money” and then it’s just a pyramid scheme.

You could’ve learned some sort shit like the vimes boot theory, which is pretty good, and is a pretty good example of something you could learn from a totally random book. You could’ve learned all about medieval speech and castle architecture. if you were addicted to hardcore pulp sci-fi, you could’ve learned about xenobiology and a bunch of different math and science that those books tend to use as the basis for their outlandish premises. If you’d read a bunch of classic french literature, you could’ve become a pretty good expert in that very particular field, same with watching 1000 random french movies from like the 50’s or 60’s. If you’d spent 10,000 hours skateboarding, instead, you’d probably be able to do a kickflip, and at that point, the world’s your oyster. You’ve won, you might as well quit now, since you can kickflip. 10,000 hours hacky sacking and you can probably juggle almost anything with your feet, and that’s pretty cool, I would think. 10,000 hours playing modded fallout 4, even though I don’t like that game very much and think it sucks, 10,000 hours doing that, and you might know enough just based on the shit you have to do to be able to play the mods, to be able to do some professional tech work. You might even just know how to make your own mod, at that point, if you’re interested enough in it. I know that 10,000 hours of dwarf fortress will basically have gotten you there.

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2 points

Siskel and Ebert: And we decided to take that personally.

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I speak 7 languages and have an MfA in Design and Technology from Parsons. I also know several programming languages.

go judge someone else.

edit: I’m happy, and that’s what matters. I’m sorry you’re not.

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It’s also not just the amount of training they receive, but the content of the training. When you learn in Police academy that 1) everyone is armed and dangerous and 2) everyone is out to kill you, you tend to be more aggressive. And this is drilled into their skulls with the equivalent of a jackhammer. No wonder you get cops that are completely devoid of empathy, reason and humanity, but rather trigger happy assholes who will use violence for every single issue.

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From what I understand the system is little bit more involved. In the Academy they technically teach you all the rules you need to abide by. But they drill the self and buddy defense imperative into you at every moment. This is so they can point at the training regimen whenever reformers make a stink.

But that’s not the end of training for police officers. There’s two more crucial steps. First you have to get through probation where it’s really easy to fire you and your training officer basically controls that 100%. So it’s a vibe check. Then they send you to continuing training seminars that propagandize police into a Hollywood Western mindset and teach them to not feel guilt or shame at killing people. Basically lowering the psychological barrier to shooting people.

Which for the record, isn’t even a step the military takes. It’s not hard to dehumanize someone threatening you. The only reason you’d need a class to do so, is if you’re trying to dehumanize people before hand.

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Not only that, cops fought for… and WON… the right to not hire people who are too smart:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/too-smart-to-be-a-cop/

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Their justification for it is such an open and obvious lie too. He might get bored and quit? Because he’s too smart? Makes zero sense. On the list of jobs one might do I don’t think being a cop would rank very high in the boredom rankings.

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Are you judging the profession based on television? The majority of cops sit somewhere for a long ass time waiting for something to happen then when it does its mostly something boring like hauling a drunk driver in, writing a speeding ticket, or responding to a domestic violence call to either play therapist or MAYBE haul the guy off for the night knowing that nothing will happen except a tearful reunion.

On TV cops fire their guns twice in 30 minutes whereas in reality 68% NEVER fire a firearm in their career. There are almost a million officers in the US you have no doubt seen many in passing. Did it seem like on average they are out doing exciting things?

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The bigger flaw in the logic is that since when do dumb people get bored less easily? If anything they get bored more easily because they’re not observing potentially interesting things in mundane scenarios.

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You’d be surprised. Unless you’re in very specific parts it’s a lot like the military. Boredom for 99 percent of the time and 1 percent “action”. Add on to that, the second they find out you’re a “smart guy” you’re going into an office job where you stare at spreadsheets all day.

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this comes up again and again and it’s always only this one case. iq and being a good cop is not even directly related so I wish people would stop bringing this up as some sort of gotcha.

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Actually IQ is correlated to problem solving which literally makes you a better everything just not obviously by itself. While this case is an extreme example of scaring off smart people there are lots of less direct ways you can discourage them from joining your ranks. Promoting idiots to positions of power and allowing them to erect dysfunctional systems that people l lower on the totem pole aren’t allowed to change, punishing anyone who snitches on their fellow cops misbehavior, and promoting your idiot cronies are all pretty effect and pervasively practiced.

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just because your IQ isn’t 125 doesn’t mean you’re an “idiot”.

what are the less direct ways?

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Are you saying that you don’t have an issue with stupid/dumb cops?

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I don’t, I have a problem with bad cops.

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Police in Norway have to have a bachelor’s degree in policing.

https://www.politihogskolen.no/en/about-us/our-campuses/bodo/ for anyone who wants to become a police officer in Norway.

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it’s not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they’re investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers’ names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with ‘law enforcement experience’ and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It’s called “Wandering Cops.”

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: “testilying.” Yet it’s almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don’t, they aren’t cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of “qualified immunity” renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past ‘qualified immunity’ is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That’s the solution.

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