43 points

Yeah a company called Hertz pushing DC powered cars is absurd

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18 points

Seriously, watt are they even doing?

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11 points

Ohm my god, right‽

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9 points

These puns are re-volt-ing.

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3 points

Ohm my god. I see what you did there.

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IMHO the full title should read, “Hertz replaces shoddily built and expensive-to-fix cars, which just happen to be EVs, with more reliable models, which happen to be ICE cars.”

That, and there was something about charging infrastructure.

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Exactly. Hertz vocally blames higher repair costs and long repair times for the Teslas that make up the bulk of their EV fleet. Other EV manufacturers don’t share those problems.

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27 points

Amended title: Rental giant to take a huge step back in climate change fight and generate more GHG to protect their bottom line.

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20 points

Alternate alternate title: EVs’ cost of ownership too high compared to ICEs.

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24 points

EV cars have a lower cost of ownership than ICE cars, especially for high-use cars like taxis and rentals. Hertz is just pushing the cost to the customer here.

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How do you mean? I’m not following.

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8 points

Real alternate title: EV manufacturers are trying to be like apple and misrepresenting your ability to repair your shit for profit.

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I’m not even sure it’s just that. A guy i know had to wait a couple of month until he could get his tesla windshield replaced. I still don’t really know where all these tesla owners around here go to service their cars, because i only know of a dealership, but that’s no garage. The only people i know with a teala bring their car there and they bring it somewhere from there. And service and shit takes for ever.

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Took 11 months to get my Tesla repaired because they were waiting for suspension parts from Tesla. There are only three Tesla certified repair shops in my whole city (of 2 million people) but that wasn’t the issue. The issue was Tesla.

If the EV’s they’re talking about in the article are Teslas, then I can understand why they would want to get rid of them.

And to be clear, I love my Tesla, but nobody should be buying one until they get their supply chain shit together. I already passed on buying a Tesla when I had to replace my second car recently. (Went with a PHEV because I need to road trip regularly and non-Tesla charging is still pretty terrible in that area.)

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In Seattle, there is a dealer in the city, then there is a repair center in the city across the lake (Bellevue). There used to be a repair center in Seattle, but Tesla closed it. It is a terrible service model and like you said, everything takes forever.

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3 points

If you read the article, it’s nothing to do specifically with EVs, they just had an unusually high crash rate.

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“Likelihood of crashing” is part of the cost of ownership (regardless of engine type). For example, suppose a particular model comes with certain features that are more likely to distract the driver, thus increasing the rate of highway collisions, thus either increasing the cost of repairs over the life of the vehicle or just shortening the life of the vehicle—all else equal, this vehicle has a higher cost of ownership than a different model with fewer distractions, collisions, repairs, etc.

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20 points

I rented a Bolt EV from Hertz once. The car was fine, but the charging stations in the area were mostly broken, or they required downloading an app and giving personal information to charge.

I got the feeling the charging networks are all about collecting government incentives and the sale of private information from subscribers, and not at all about service.

My new preferred rental car is no rental car at all.

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charging stations in the area were mostly broken, or they required downloading an app and giving personal information to charge.

My experience with this is that some places have chargers figured out and some don’t.

I live in the NL, I rent cars from SIXT Share on occasion, and the charging network is seamless. I can just roll into anywhere and there is bound to be a charger on every street corner, and each only need the RFID tag on the car keys to start charging. BTW, I’ve never seen a Tesla charger in the country.

OTOH, I’ve been over in Hungary, and it’s a complete shitshow. My host drove us around in his Tesla, and chargers were few and far between, with Tesla ones being somewhat reliable, others worked as often as they didn’t, and they all had their shitty apps that didn’t work either.

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EVs are a greenwashing scam. Mass transit is the only way that is sustainable for our population.

Edit: I will add mass transit plus better city planning to increase density. Cars in general require so much infrastructure not to mention what we will have to do to get ready for mass EVs.

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EVs make a difference for anyone in an area with low density. I live in the country relatively close to population centres, but it’s impossible for me to ever imagine transit being even near me.

We will literally always have a need for small, individual vehicles of some kind for most the population. If we could reduce that to one car, then supplement with transit, where available, or carpooling? Then also make that car an EV instead of ICE? That’s a huge emissions reduction

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Mass transit is the only way that is sustainable

EVs cut lifecycle emissions to about 45%. [UCS][ANL][MIT][IEA]

Public transit cuts lifecycle emissions to… about 45%. [IEA][AFDC][USDOT]

Neither is a magic bullet. Both get their asses kicked by bicyles. Both get better with increased passengers per vehicle. Both can be fueled with renewable energy for additional reduction. Both can be manufactured with renewable energy for additional reduction. Both take surprisingly equivalent amounts of steel, aluminum, and glass.

Public transit offers unique advantages from an urbanist perspective and the liveability of cities, but that’s objectively different from sustainability.

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They are not a scam in general, though one could easily say that about Tesla. The reality is we need both EVs and mass transit. The mass transit infrastructure we need will take time, and EVs are a good stopgap. You are not going to have a good bus or train infrastructure tomorrow, but if you’re car shits the bed tomorrow you can get an EV. Plus there are always going to be a need for some people to have cars, and going electric is better even after manufacturing factors are taken into account. Think fleet vehicles and people that require a lot of tools and supplies for their job.

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The mass transit infrastructure we need will take time, and EVs are a good stopgap.

I’d say yeah, walk and chew gum at the same time. On the other hand though, have they already closed off a lane and started on laying tram tracks where you live? Did the government pass resolutions to start procuring buses?

I have the feeling that these days with today’s media and everyone focusing on “owning the moment”, something like better public transit is either happening right now, or will never happen until those in power get replaced.

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On the other hand though, have they already closed off a lane and started on laying tram tracks where you live?

Funny you should mention that. My city just made a lane on a major thoroughfare bus only and put a express bus to downtown Seattle that uses that lane. The regional transit system is also expanding light rail quite a bit here, so it is happening. It just takes time. The light rail has been almost a decade in the making.

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