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IMHO the full title should read, “Hertz replaces shoddily built and expensive-to-fix cars, which just happen to be EVs, with more reliable models, which happen to be ICE cars.”

That, and there was something about charging infrastructure.

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Exactly. Hertz vocally blames higher repair costs and long repair times for the Teslas that make up the bulk of their EV fleet. Other EV manufacturers don’t share those problems.

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An EV engineer friend of mine said that this is specifically the Hertz Teslas because Tesla parts are expensive and sometimes hard to get. So when a Tesla breaks, they sell it rather than repair it.

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There were four problems with their decision:

  1. They chose the most expensive car to fix, and that it can’t be fixed in independent shops. So, a small dent after a parking where everyone else says “well anyway the insurance pays for it” becomes a $3000 expense

  2. They gave those expensive cars in lease to Uber drivers, meaning instead of having $100 of profit a day, they get a tenth of that, plus they get back a car with thousands and thousands of miles. And those drivers when they get a small dent after a parking they say “well anyway the full cover insurance (Hertz) pays for it”

  3. They gave those cars with a new charging infrastructure to people with no experience at all, which is a shock for someone new. A bit of training is required

  4. They purchased those expensive cars at full MSRP which IMHO is insane because any other automaker CEO would have done everything (=steep discounts) in order to sign such a deal

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EVs are a greenwashing scam. Mass transit is the only way that is sustainable for our population.

Edit: I will add mass transit plus better city planning to increase density. Cars in general require so much infrastructure not to mention what we will have to do to get ready for mass EVs.

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EVs make a difference for anyone in an area with low density. I live in the country relatively close to population centres, but it’s impossible for me to ever imagine transit being even near me.

We will literally always have a need for small, individual vehicles of some kind for most the population. If we could reduce that to one car, then supplement with transit, where available, or carpooling? Then also make that car an EV instead of ICE? That’s a huge emissions reduction

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They are not a scam in general, though one could easily say that about Tesla. The reality is we need both EVs and mass transit. The mass transit infrastructure we need will take time, and EVs are a good stopgap. You are not going to have a good bus or train infrastructure tomorrow, but if you’re car shits the bed tomorrow you can get an EV. Plus there are always going to be a need for some people to have cars, and going electric is better even after manufacturing factors are taken into account. Think fleet vehicles and people that require a lot of tools and supplies for their job.

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The mass transit infrastructure we need will take time, and EVs are a good stopgap.

I’d say yeah, walk and chew gum at the same time. On the other hand though, have they already closed off a lane and started on laying tram tracks where you live? Did the government pass resolutions to start procuring buses?

I have the feeling that these days with today’s media and everyone focusing on “owning the moment”, something like better public transit is either happening right now, or will never happen until those in power get replaced.

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On the other hand though, have they already closed off a lane and started on laying tram tracks where you live?

Funny you should mention that. My city just made a lane on a major thoroughfare bus only and put a express bus to downtown Seattle that uses that lane. The regional transit system is also expanding light rail quite a bit here, so it is happening. It just takes time. The light rail has been almost a decade in the making.

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Mass transit is the only way that is sustainable

EVs cut lifecycle emissions to about 45%. [UCS][ANL][MIT][IEA]

Public transit cuts lifecycle emissions to… about 45%. [IEA][AFDC][USDOT]

Neither is a magic bullet. Both get their asses kicked by bicyles. Both get better with increased passengers per vehicle. Both can be fueled with renewable energy for additional reduction. Both can be manufactured with renewable energy for additional reduction. Both take surprisingly equivalent amounts of steel, aluminum, and glass.

Public transit offers unique advantages from an urbanist perspective and the liveability of cities, but that’s objectively different from sustainability.

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Global EV production is so focused on making and meeting the demand for more vehicles on the road that the after market is handled as an after thought. This is partly offset by EVs being mechanically simpler and more reliable (mechanically) but that is little comfort when you do have an issue that needs parts to fix. And for Hertz it hurts when a car is out of commission for an extended period, so this is a very reasonable action in my opinion.

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I think Tesla not having any independent mechanics is by design.

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The problem isn’t the mechanics, the problem is getting repair parts. Tesla is the only one who makes Tesla parts and they’ve decided that those parts are going toward new Teslas, not repairs. (My Tesla was in the shop for 11 MONTHS thanks to this fun state of affairs.)

While EV’s that share a platform with ICE cars are generally worse than ground-up EV’s, the nice thing is there are plenty of repair parts available.

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