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Socialist devs now

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Socialism by definition is not anti establishment. It’s anti current establishment but the philosophy is geared towards a bigger government “establishment”.

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No, it is not. Socialism does not mean statism. Please feel free to read up on libertarian socialism, Anarcho syndicalism or even eco socialism. The Greens/EFA in europe lean towards libertarian socialism.

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Libertarian socialist here: Say it again for the people at the back.

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I was 100% not aware if libertarian socialism. Definitely something to learn about. Thank you

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I’m pretty sure that’s the difference between anti establishing and anti government. the “establishment” is the established power structure. technically fascists ARE anti establishment in most places. and that’s a very good thing.

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Are they tho

Republicans are going mask off, Italy is run by fascists again, AfD is at 20%, Putin is invading neighbors and bankrolling white supremacists world wide, Israel’s engaging in open genocide, their neighbors wish they could do the same, the second largest party in Sweden was founded by Neo-Nazis…

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Fascists only pretend to be anti establishment their whole thing is preserving capitalism when it enters crisis.

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Depends which sense of “socialism” you mean, purely Marxist socialism perhaps, socialism in general no.

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You are confusing socialism with communism. Latter is anti-establishment.

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You are confusing left-liberalism with socialism.

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I think that’s the difference: Pirate Bay and Silkroad knew they were inherently anti-establishment, but it seems to me that Parler and Gab think of themselves as “alternative establishment” or something.

Pirate Bay was never trying to compete with Netflix or Steam-- it’s conceptually very different. But Parler very much wants (wanted?) to just be Twitter but with right-wing politics.

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Parler and gab just want to be mask-off racist twitter/facebook. Nothing anti-establishment there at all.

Pirate Bay and Silk Road were knowingly breaking the law in nearly every nation on earth and trying to avoid capture doing so, both failed to do so by various degrees. This is anti-establishment as they are flagrantly disobeying copyright and narcotics laws at these two sites.

Pirate Bay is still operational, just not by the original owner. I don’t know about Silk Road as I have no interest in drugs

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pretty sure silk road is gone irrc. I could be thinking of something else tho.

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Silk road is long gone but there are a plethora of other similar markets. Just like any other service in demand when one gets shutdown three more pop up in it’s place.

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That’s a great distinction, I’m gonna start stealing that.

Some people aren’t anti establishment, they are anti-not-my-establishment. You can’t call yourself anti establishment if you just don’t like the current one.

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Totally. I’m not even sure how many do call themselves anti-establishment, but I do know that there’s lots of talk on the right about building a “second economy” and “alternative public square” and stuff like the Daily Wire trying to make movies, all as part of this “fine, I’ll open my own casino” kind of play. It’s very purposefully establisment-focused, just not the existing one.

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It’s simpler than that: fascists lie.

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Those fucks who run Parler aren’t anti-establishment, quite the opposite, they are boot licking fascists.

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“Stealing I can accept, but having an opinion that’s different from my own is where I draw the line.”

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  1. Piracy isn’t stealing, primarily since the victim still has the pirated goods and can continue to sell them, but doubly so since people who pay for those goods legitimately don’t own them and are at the complete mercy of the company to continue to access them. History is rife with examples of companies removing access to digitally paid for goods with no explanation or recourse. Look at the recent PlayStation fiasco, or Warner Brothers cancelling Infinity Train and Inside Job (and pulling the completed seasons from streaming services) because they wanted a tax write-off.
  2. Questioning the validity of science and half the global population’s worth of empirical evidence and endangering oneself and others purely to be contrarian, and, more importantly, continuing to support someone who calls immigrants vermin and quotes Mussolini in his campaign speeches goes beyond “having a different opinion”
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Warner Brothers cancelling Infinity Train and Inside Job (and pulling the completed seasons from streaming services) because they wanted a tax write-off.

WHAT THE FUCK, as if the cancellation wasn’t bad enough, I only now learned they removed Infinity Train from streaming. Fuck you WB

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  1. Questioning the validity of science is precisely how science is done. You form a hypothesis and design an experiment to either prove or disprove it. Reading papers and just believing everything they say, taking for granted that the people who wrote them carried out the experiment(s) exactly as described, didn’t fudge any numbers, and declared all their conflicts of interest and sources of funding accurately and unbiased, isn’t.

  2. Making your own discussion platform because you don’t like the other ones that are available is no worse of an offense than going to a different room. Lemmy literally IS such a place that was created because people didn’t like what was happening on reddit. Basically, what you’re saying is that YOU deserve a safe space because your opinions are valid and correct, and other people don’t because theirs are wrong. I don’t know, man… sounds kinda fascist if you ask me.

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My dad always said “Don’t trust a man in a suit telling you who’s wrong” but then again he fell in line with Trump when he grew old.

Christ, if that happens to me, kill me.

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Don’t worry, he did it so you won’t get a chance to.

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I don’t know what this is referring to, but GoDaddy can suck an entire warehouse of cocks.

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Agreed, GoDaddy can suck an entire warehouse of cocks. It’s important you know the basic context, because in a weird way this can be considered history.

This is another Trump Derangement Syndrome type post. Remember when Trump got kicked off of Twitter & other social media platforms? Conservatives & Republicans said FINE, we’ll make our own social media platform! With blackjack! And hookers! Parler was born.

…but Amazon & I guess GoDaddy, too, decided after Parler was built that they wanted nothing to do with Parler. So they yanked out the infrastructure, the hosting & servers, that Parler was built on. Parler was unable to function. Liberals rejoiced & jeered, conservatives were understandably distraught.

Somehow Truth Social exists, via Mastodon & some weird-ass open source structure. Nobody cares about Truth Social, though.

Basically this post is mocking the Republicans, conservatives for feeble attempts to grassroots build an internet presence. And not having robust contingency plans in place, and owning every step of the process, to ensure it could not be disrupted or fucked with.

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You lost me at “Trump Derangement Syndrome” which is a term only used to gaslight people who have legitimate issues with Trump.

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