0 points

Have you heard of Linux?

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Linux phones are cool, but not ready for general use yet… unless that’s changed recently, in which case I’ll look into buying a PinePhone.

On desktop, I use Debian and FreeBSD.

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If you want the option to side load, why not go with Android?

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Other things that it also has. Android is fine if just looking for installing an app without Google/Apple approval.

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2 points

Aren’t they referring to Android?

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1 point

Nope. PinePhone is a developer device to develop standard Linux stack on mobile.

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1 point

Look into PPP more specifically because based on what I heard PP SoC(A64) has energy obesity.

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73 points

Time to get an Android, I guess.

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Apple is so locked down I fail to see what the appeal could be in the first place, there’s very little customization, only one hardware manufacturer, and they’re more guilty of anyone else in the market of planned obsolescence.

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iPhones historically have lasted 5+ years while android manufacturers tend to support a phone for maybe 2 years.

Only justnow are companies promising 7 year support for Android, but even then Google has been full of shit lately like their pixel subscription that they cancelled right when users were beginning to be eligible for a new free phone.

You can complain about the headphone jack, but Apple devices last far far longer than comparable devices. That goes for Macs too where the hardware lasts 10 years, and Google and Microsoft just tossed millions of devices in the trash by dropping support.

Linux has longer support than anyone, which should serve as a model, but of the tech companies Apple is the least guilty of planned obsolescence.

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You mean except for when they got caught slowing down old models, or how their support will tell you to go to a store and the store will tell you to call support and nothing gets fixed. Or how they break Australian Consumer Law by saying that any ex-displays don’t have any warranty despite that legally your warranty starts when you buy the phone. Can’t fix anything just spend more money for latest version

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The ecosystem is the thing holding me here. Everything works so seamlessly and the products are very good (imo). I don’t have to worry that my watch and headphones might not work with another company’s phone, or at least not as good. If there are headphones and watches that would work as well, seamless and long as Apple’s, I’m open to suggestions. Apple might be behind with innovations, but when they implement something, it’s done right (usually)

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Havent had any issues with my headphones conncectivity wise.

I turn them on, they boot and play music.
No connection drops or anything else.

Only pairing wasnt fully automagically.
I suppose if you’d buy 1st party brands, you’d get even that but that’s only a one time thing anyway so whatever.

Tested with a Pixel 7 Pro and Jabra Elite 85h

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They typically last longer than non iPhones.

More importantly, I am a middle aged software developer who doesn’t want to customise his phone. I am happy to have a handset where I am limited. Gone are my days of geeking out and customising everything. I just want something that works for me.

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2 points

The time to get an Android instead of an iPhone was any time since 2008 when Android first became available.

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1 point

My situation is complicated.

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84 points

Always has been

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18 points

Just as long as you get one of the few models that are unlocked or offer a long lifetime of updates.

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13 points

That’s the thing though, you can get devices from other manufacturers and you can get unlocked devices with Android. Those things aren’t even options with Apple.

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17 points

I ended up installing LineageOS and have been getting updates almost weekly ever since.

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9 points

or offer a long lifetime of updates

In Samsung unpacked event Samsung announced that it will extend Android And Security updates to 7 years

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8 points

5 eyes spy network countries. No surprise there.

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33 points

That’s not the reason. The only reason is because they are not part of the EU.

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3 points

Well we’re part of Eurovision and that’s basically the same thing.

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4 points

You know, I’d not be surprised if some brexit votes were to leave Eurovision. :P

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14 points

I still don’t understand why people would want iOS if you plan to do off-brand stuff like sideload non apple appstore applications. You are just torturing yourself just so you can still have an iPhone.

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There’s loads of people who prefer iPhone and would sideload if allowed but it’s not a deal-breaker. I prefer iOS and Apple hardware but refuse to buy one without sideloading.

My S24 Ultra is arriving tomorrow, but I’ll likely be buying the iPhone 16 if it comes with sideloading.

So Apple is gaining a customer, I’ve been eyeing the MacBooks too ever since the M1 came out so might end up pulling the trigger on one of those as well.

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12 points

I’m an app developer. My company makes an iOS version, and it’s damn near impossible to deal with Apple’s shit.

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7 points

I don’t want an iPhone, and it’s a long story as to why I’m stuck with one.

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There’s 3 answers:

1: work (possibly school?)

2: you are a child and your parents bought it.

3: you’re weak and let someone else or money make your decision…

I mean the only thing that could make the story “long” is adding in excuses or trying to get sympathy.

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5 points

To cut a long story short, it’s 2.

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5 points

I got time. Lay it on me.

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14 points

So, I’m 17 and my Dad is an Apple fanboy. He started using Macs back in the '90s, and he’s always been using their stuff. Over the years, he’s managed to get my mum and her parents to ditch Android, and his parents to move on from their RAZRs. Now that everyone has iPhones, I have no hand-me-down routes. I have asked to get an Android, using my own money that I earned, but he always brings up the same arguments:

“Androids are inherently less secure than iPhones”

“We all use iPhones”

“Apple’s proprietary ecosystem just works”

“I had an Android once. Once.”

“Are you just trying to stop the Find My tracking? What if I need to find you?”

That last one could easily be misinterpreted. It’s an emergency thing; he’s not spying or anything. Don’t worry.

I have an old Android in a drawer somewhere, but it’s running 4.4, it isn’t supported by any ROMs, and the battery barely lasts half an hour, so there’s no point in trying to get it to work.

I’ll also be going to university this year, so I should be able to get a cheap Pixel on eBay and flash GrapheneOS onto it soon enough.

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2 points

Not the person you’re answering, but my company bought me one as a benefit for personal use.

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1 point

I got an iPad and those are pretty great. A lot of great (paid) apps that work extremely well on tablets. That’s the benefit of having to develop for only so many devices, I guess. Now I don’t use it much these days, but I am definitely gonna try out sideloading. It’s probably gonna take some time to have anything to sideload tho.

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“Minimizes diminished App Store revenue”

I am an Apple user and in the end I’m more comfortable with them having access to my data than google… but man, they don’t even bother to pretend it’s a pro-consumer issue thing anymore.

Been noticing that a lot lately, corporate weasel language is dying as these companies grow more and more emboldened.

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Both Google and Apple sell your data to the same companies. It’s kinda the point of them having ‘an ecosystem’ (monopolized ofc).

All “privacy” efforts they made with their OSs were exclusively so third party apps can collect less data from you and have to buy data from Google/Apple.

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Proof that Apple sell your data?

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The op I replied to? Apples quarterly revenue statements? Their terms you agree to? Explicit ‘Apple privacy policy’ on the subject?

Both Apple and Google restrict third party app privacy not for your protection/increased privacy but to monopolize data collection. Eg Facebook vs Meta was a few years ago a fairly public fight.

But on both OSs you don’t really have the option to restrict data collection from their services (on some Androids you can’t even disable Google services, much less uninstall them). And Google also pays several billions per quarter to Apple to be the default search data collection engine.

It is true tho that companies differ a lot so the data collection is different too (the biggest difference is that Apple doesn’t have that much need for user data since it isn’t really in personalized ad business).

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I am gonna guess they have their own ad setup. So they collect the data, setup profiles and whatnot. Then an advertiser can come and pay to use their system for targeted ads. Now does that count as “selling your data”? Not technically I guess. Google does exactly the same thing tho, right? I fail to see how they differ in any way. I suppose you can HOPE that apple cares about its reputation enough to handle your data carefully, but that is about it. Hopes and prayers.

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It’s pretty funny considering their main arguments have never mentioned the financial impact and always leaned on SeCuRitY, or some dumb shit the fanboys will regurgitate.

Like, Apple you lying little slut — we know you cuck for coins in everything you do.

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Just use something AOSP with F-droid. It will be much better for privacy.

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are you thick in the head? and I don’t mean the one in your pants.

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Lineage with F-droid. Or regular linux.

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I’m getting real tired of corpo doublespeak. It’s everywhere right now and I feel like people are finally getting wise to it. I don’t want to hear whatever made up by committee garbage you came up with. Give us an answer.

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It’s a matter of time. Other countries just need a copy paste law. Apple knows this. But right now it’s worth it to keep 2 systems around.

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Anything Google is optional on Android, especially since the EU’s DMA which now mandates the service accounts to be decoupled (or to make coupling optional, to be more precise).

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