I literally do blame the Democrats for Trump, and if you don’t, you weren’t paying attention.
Plenty of us were critiquing Clinton’s campaign on those merits and were consistently talked down to in shocker the same way we’re being talked down to now. Shocker, she lost. I remember saying a few weeks before the election “We’re about to get Brexited.” I put my vote down for Clinton, because Trump is fucking insane, and that was clear before he was President. It was clear in the fucking 1980’s.
Being able to critique our leaders is supposed to be what is the difference between us and conservative voters. They’re the cult who unquestioningly believes all the bullshit that comes out of Trump’s mouth and diapers. I find it weird that people think we should be more like them in regards to our leaders like that would be a good thing.
Critiquing Democrats is not an endorsement of Republicans
OK.
Just be aware that doing so publicly, especially around election time, increases the probability of Republicans getting elected. So ask yourself if its the right time and place - regardless of what your intentions are, what sort of effects will your actions actually cause in the world?
IMO, the best time and place to make your opinion on Democratic policy known is the Democratic primary election and who you choose to help campaign for the primaries.
As I pointed out to someone else: So valid critiques of the Democrats are what depress and demotivate voters, not… *checks notes… the things that the Democrats failed at themselves? No, it only rises to upsetting people when people talk about it. Do you realize that’s what you’re arguing here, that Democratic failures don’t demotivate people, only people talking about them.
I’m sorry but I’m pretty sure the failures are demotivating on their own, and folks like me are demotivated by being told we’re not allowed to talk about them.
Also, we have elections every two years. My entire life, I’ve been told it’s “too close to an election to for that kind of critique.”
As I asked others (with no good answers) when are we going to be allowed to critique them, then? Because I’m pushing fifty and I’ve dealt with this bullshit “you can’t critique them NOW” for over twenty fucking years of voting.
I think you might be the woosh since you don’t think actions demotivate people, only people talking about those things.
Also, assumptions that we don’t take part in the process has been going on for over twenty years as well. But I guess you don’t give a shit enough to find out if I’m actually involved, do you? Easier to just assume I’m not, right? Than to have to actually engage with the point?
Hey just so we’re clear you do realise the primaries are right now? So in your own words this is exactly the time to be critiquing.
IMO, the best time and place to make your opinion on Democratic policy known is the Democratic primary election and who you choose to help campaign for the primaries
No, because Superdelegates. It’s not a real vote if the party apparatus can force the result they want by blunting a challenger’s momentum/stopping their win.
Besides, airing complaints at the primary only gets them heard by the hyper-engaged of the electorate. I.e. not your typical voter. “Go vote in the primary” is the correct messages, yes. But you’ll never be heard by a bigger crowd who might agree and also agitate for change(s).
How many decades now have democrats been 3 steps less right than Republicans running on nothing but “We’re not Republicans?”
They’ve had plenty of time to get it together but instead they slither further and further right to sate “centrists” (that were never going to vote dem anyway.) Meanwhile, everybody shrieks that dems are the only line between us and fascism as they fascism all over their voters at the dnc and Biden sidesteps congress to fund genocide.
Sounds fascist to me. 🤷
Moderation around here is not prepared for this trash to seriously pick up this year.
Can’t wait to hear my daily “reminders” about how everything is actually the DNC’s fault for not resurrecting Bernie’s campaign for a third time because he’d totally win this time.
The DNC purposely drew the press’s attention to Trump in the primaries to intentionally move the Republican party further right. They thought the far-right candidates would be easier to beat: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-2016-donald-trump-214428/
Democratic groups and candidates purposely took out ads promoting pro-Trump candidates in 2022. This is a very dangerous strategy.
I don’t want Bernie this time around simply because he’s to old, Biden is too old, Trump is too old. Also he ran seriously twice and lost both times. What was ridiculous was some counties had to decide the nominee by coin flip. I didn’t think actual luck had a place in elections.
Tribal thinking is a sign of lack of maturity. If you don’t think being, “better than TFG.” is a pathetic excuse for a party platform, you’re either a child or utterly incompetent at governing, or both.
Similarly, if anyone assumes someone attacking Democrats, a center-right party, MUST be coming from the right … they’re painfully ignorant of politics in general.
Too bad this country is full of immature children that managed to reach adult age… Regardless of how bad the Dems are, they’re still the only valid choice for someone making moral decisions. No, Biden is anything but perfect, but literally no one else can win that isn’t outright evil … partly because Democrats run a pathetic party and don’t actually fight for democracy.
Yep. That’s what makes it so downright abusive for them to dangle fascism over our heads like a threat if we don’t get behind their milquetoast bullshit half-ass glad-handing fascists fuckery. They know we don’t have a choice so they don’t even fucking try.
The job of a US politician seems to be convincing their donors and constituents that they will protect each from the other.
Campaigning on policy that benefits the voters goes against the class interests of the donors, but campaigning on “the other guy is bad” keeps the donors happy.
“Not Trump” isn’t a pathetic position, it’s a smart one. There’s plenty of Republicans that don’t like Trump (See 43% Haley in NH yesterday), and getting into specifics will only remind them that “Not Trump” is a liberal commie Democrat.
If you want to know what Biden is running on other than that, you can find it here:
That’s a nice list. Let’s see what Democrats actually do in office.
Oh what’s that? Sit on their hands and complain about how Republicans won’t play nice?
Again, pathetic party.
A lot of people are confused about this kind of thing and appear to imagine that winning an election means that you get to do everything you want. It doesn’t. All it means is that you can try and get some of the things you want done, and you better choose them wisely because you have limited political capital and a set window of time. That’s just the way it is, especially in such a polarized country. A better way to view political accomplishments is through the lens of what’s actually possible as opposed to what you really want. It’s childish to think otherwise.
Our country is basically in a low-level mostly non-violent state of civil war and people are crying because Biden can’t or won’t give them everything they want? Really? WTF is wrong with you? The plane is about to crash into the fucking mountain! All the lights are flashing bright red! We either come together and stop this thing or we’re all going to be in for a very bad time.
This is how democracies die. We either unite and stand together, or we’ll all “hang” separately.
Weird, I don’t see record oil production there. Record as in more than any country to ever exist.
Regardless of your opinion many of your responses are abusive and break community rules.
Anger and frustration over the political climate in the US is understandable but for someone who’s almost 50 you still need to work on your self control.
If you can’t engage in civil discourse then don’t reply to people, you only hurt your own cause.
The GOP wants to salt and burn the earth, many of our rights, and many of our loved ones for being who they are. Civility politics is no more virtuous than the sham of the model minority
I didn’t bring up the GOP or civility politics. OP is breaking community rules and being abusive to people in the thread. Even if I agree with someone’s opinion, that type of behavior undercuts it, regardless of the topic.
Some examples from OPs replies that I reported:
No you arent eat shit asshole.
Get fucked, asswipe.
I literally didn’t fucking argue that, chucklefuck.
“ Profanity is the effort of a feeble brain to express itself forcibly.”
I get that the OP is being overly rude, but this:
Even if I agree with someone’s opinion, that type of behavior undercuts it, regardless of the topic.
“ Profanity is the effort of a feeble brain to express itself forcibly.”
is exactly what the person you’re replying to meant by civility politics.
Hillary Clinton’s campaign was poorly run, but she didn’t invent Trump or get millions of people to vote for him. Trump was set up by 25+ years of extremist Republican media - people like Limbaugh, Murdoch, O’Reilly - and enabled by the “liberal” mainstream media, who wouldn’t stop talking about his stupid shit for the 2 years leading up to the campaign, and are doing the same thing this time.
Just a reminder that Clinton had deep press connections and so acting like her elevating of Trump didn’t impact other media sources is a bit disingenuous. It was a campaign strategy to elevate Trump, and that included working with “friendly” journalists.
Did people forget that Correct the Record were literally keyboard warriors employed by the DNC to go and do exactly the kind of shit I’m complaining about online. Shitting all over progressives and forum sliding?
You forget the democratic party isn’t the progressive party. Look at New Hampshire. When Bidens not on the ballot people are writing him in. Democrats are a big tent you can’t just boot out the centrists or the neo-liberals and expect to win anything.
It sucks, and it double sucks because fascism is looming and the Dems are pretending everything is status quo. They sit in a high tower thinking progress is something serfs will win all on their on and when they do they’ll be just as protective of the status quo. It’s delusional but we need these guys or we need to turn the 50% of Americans who don’t even want to be involved.
End of day we can criticize Biden but we don’t fucking have to keep on bringing up Hillary.
Democrats are a big tent you can’t just boot out the centrists or the neo-liberals and expect to win anything.
Wrong. You can expect the neo-liberals to fall in line in the exact same way they expect progressives to fall in line.
Progressives are not uniquely enlightened, and you cannot reliably expect them to be the “bigger man” indefinitely.
Trump was an outsider candidate that took advantage of anti-establisment sentiment. He was barely a republican before 2016. He won because Hillary was incompetent and the DNC didn’t pick up on the anti-establishment vibes, and picked the most establishment candidate possible. Yes Republicans have been attacking Hillary since Bill got elected, but that wasn’t news to Democrats that didn’t care.
