And thus the brave lammings set out to inform other lemmings, who are as tech savvy and know this is happening, that this is happening by posting memes. Hopefully the people, who would already be using firefox if they cared, switch to firefox so we can breach the 3% market share and that’ll show Google, maker of Chrome and Firefox’ main sponsor, people care enough to stop this madness! - I’m not against activism, but activism in an echochamber can turn into a circlejerk. Everyone stop stroking please… I’m here for the memes.
I’m not against activism
You just spent like 5 minutes reducing activism to “cIrClEjErK”. Can we leave that stupid ass phrase on reddit for Christ’s sake?
Just look at all the people in the comments patiently explaining what the problem is and what can be done. At what point would you consider this common knowledge that is propagated and confirmed because people on this plattform have reached consensus? It is good we had this discussion for a few days, plenty of awareness has been spread on lemmy. I’m proposing to stop posting about this topic as there is nothing new added except repetition that gains traction because we agree. Call that whatever you want.
You’re not wrong that this discussion would be more productive in a privacy community or one dedicated to web browsers, but at least people see it here.
The problem I’ve seen isn’t the discussion, but the fact that some users have become disproportionately hostile toward others, using childish insults to describe their ideas like “stupid” instead of contributing anything of value.
Indeed. So boring and useless.
In this thread lots of uninformed people rationalizing why it’s actually okay to use chromium.
It absolutely is not. Just how it’s also not ok to buy the overpriced RTX 40 cards because it ruins the market for all of us.
Exactly right. It requires seeing yourself as a part of a community vs. fulfilling our selfish interests at the expense of others.
Another example were the suburban PS5 buyers who bought from scalpers so “their kids” could have one, not giving any thought to the fact that they’re contributing to a system that excludes the disadvantaged (or, even worse, knowing but not caring).
I mean, define “ok” in this context
Will chrome kill you? No
Will chrome physically hurt anyone else because you used it? No
Will the internet become less free if google is able to successfully force this? Yes
Does using chrome contribute to this? Yes, marginally
Would as many people as possible switching off of chrome and chromium and onto an alternative help? Yes
I find this whole thing an interesting argument, as someone who switched from chrome to firefox for extremely unrelated reasons months ago.
He ain’t bright and Google will win this because most of men are just puppets unwilling to discern
The same people say “boycotts don’t work”. The facepalming here is hard. Welcome to the ad riddled future that you helped make because “people can use what they like” (because it’s being pushed by a huge corporate entity and they want you to use it so they can shove ads down your throat and you should laugh at people who would use anything different)
In this thread lots of uninformed people misunderstanding how the open source Chromium project works (or the difference between Chrome and Chromium). Vivaldi is a Chromium-based browser who frequently disable the parts of Chromium they don’t agree with.
This argument not to use anything Chromium is the same as if someone was fanatically opposed to using Linux Mint or Elementary OS because they’re based on Ubuntu, and Canonical bad.
I love Firefox as much as the next person, and probably do a 75% Vivaldi 25% Firefox split, but let’s not act like Google isn’t bankrolling Mozilla, because they account for 85+% of Mozilla’s revenue, and if Google does implement this Web DRM and if it is widely adopted, Mozilla either submits and enables it to make sure daddy Google stays happy, or they die.
Typically this thinking is mostly correct - e.g. Manifest v3 - but not in this case. If websites see enough users using chormium, via user agent or other fingerprinting, they’ll be more willing to require WEI. And unlike Manifest v3 etc. this affects the whole web, not just users of one browser or the other.
In every case monopolies are bad. Including in tech.
they account for 85+% of Mozilla’s revenue
So why is a company, one that has a clear incentive to reduce dependence on their competitor, funding something like Rust or Thunderbird?
Google used to give a lot more money to Mozilla, then they massively cut it which led to huge layoff affecting a lot of Firefox dev. Thankfully the new Firefox engine were just completed at that point. People like to complain about Mozilla pushing their VPN and Pocket, but they have to find another source of income to reduce their dependency to Google.
Firefox mobile app sucks on my phone. Not sure about the rest of you. Doesn’t seem like there is a great alternative though.
It absolutely used to suck performance wise since I used an S4 for about 2 years. Since then, it’s been great. As someone who used to dislike the performance, and now loves it, even over chromium stuff, I can safely suggest your oversimplified opinion is without any real basis. Sucks is such a vague word, and I guess it stops you having to detail and rationalise your personal opinion.
It’s always been great on the desktop.
The only Chromium-based browser worth a damn is Vivaldi.
It’s privacy-focused and made by the same people who originally made Opera before it got sold off and turned into malware.
It is extremely slow compared to chrome. But I still prefer to use it, unless I am in a hurry.
Somehow it’s shit on 60Hz displays. My 120Hz display phone, it’s quite snappy. But on my older 60Hz display phone, it’s unnaturally slow. If your phone isn’t HRR, then maybe this is it? I don’t quite know wtf is wrong with it
I don’t care what browser you use
Also I like Edge. It works great and Google can kiss my butt
Lmfao. Bro edge is chromium my guy. You just switched from one skin to another is all. It’s all the same under the hood🤣
Yes. It’s chromium. It’s based on the open source base engine for Chrome. Which means, it has all the benefits of Chrome without the Google bullshit.
from the first sentence on the wikipedia page: Chromium is a free and open-source web browser project, mainly developed and maintained by Google.
Always amazing how much people can know without actually „getting it“. Just use firefox. You don’t get anything for „winning“ on a technicality. Just leave it be.
Chromium is not free of Google’s bullshit. Chromium development is under direct control of Google.
Lmfao. Bro edge is chromium my guy. You just switched from one skin to another is all. It’s all the same under the hood🤣
They are definitely not all the same, and Vivaldi is a fantastic example of that. Just because it’s Chromium-based doesn’t mean it’s chock full of bullshit and a Chrome reskin, it just means that it most likely is. Vivaldi definitely isn’t.
As Chromium monopolizes the market they’re able to push anti-user updates because sites don’t care. It’s down to Firefox or Chromium-based browsers. Firefox is basically the only thing that’s kept Chrome from straight up removing adblocking capability and the like.
Edge is based off chromium, same “engine” that powers Chrome. As most browsers are.
Yeah, it’s basically chrome without the bloat, less spying, and without the prohibition on ad blockers
That’s fine but the point of the post is that you have to use a non chromium browser to avoid wei. Once it’s implemented it’s likely that edge and others will have to implement it too.
Are we talking about the same browser?
Edge has all of those things in spades.
Microsoft is at least as bad as Google and has been for quite a bit longer.
Correct. We would not even be here if corporations could be trusted. Everyone needs to get this somehow. Federation (open source project development is kind of federated as well) is the key. Actually, we‘re having the same oppressive authoritarianism that gave birth to federated states. Looks like a pattern.
Have you tried the one recently implemented in Firefox? I’m not sure about Edge, but it’s much better than Chrome’s. I rarely have to use anything else.
