This only makes sense when I realize that to conservatives, it’s an identity. They think it’s an identity that Taylor Swift should have because she’s (presumably) white, popular, rich, good looking, Midwestern, Christian, etc.

To them politics is not about ideas, or policies, or problem solving, or good governance. It’s all about identity.

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Ms private jet is performatively liberal at best.

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You have an internet connection, so you’re performatively liberal at best too. You don’t even think about people that can’t afford an internet connection, how can you be on the left?

In fact everyone on the internet is performative. That’s what everything on here is, someone’s performance. You could be Jeff Bezos for all anyone knows.

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Yeah, but that seems in line with the Democratic party leadership.

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Uh what? Since when is Taylor Swift a party leader?

edit: Downvotes don’t make her a party leader. What is she then? What seat does she hold in the senate?

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What part of the sentence made you think that Taylor Swift is a democratic party leader?

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Taylor Swift is shadow majority leader in the Senate, it’s all part of the conspiracy yo.

Joking aside, I think what Shepherd meant was that Swift being performatively liberal made her more similar to Democratic party leadership than to any sort of conservatives.

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You are just describing all Liberal ideologies (which modern conservatism is - I don’t mean liberal in the USA sense)… it’s all vibes and identity, it’s pure ideology without any material analysis. Things happen because of “ideas”.

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I think the parentheticals are being lost on some.

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I don’t think so… people just don’t understand what I mean by liberal I guess. Not their fault, politics is totally fucked in the US.

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I agree to the point where I literally emigrated

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Nah I understand what classically liberal means, it’s the rest of your comment that was nonsense.

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Normally I’d take this chance to complain about liberals not being able to define liberal, but it’s more than a fair point these days that “conservatives” aren’t liberals anymore. They should be, to be “conservative” about the society they grew up in.

The modern American conservative now:

Hates liberals

Especially hates socialists

Rejects the idea of human rights

Rejects democracy

Wants a single, possibly hereditary leader both above the law and above criticism

Wants to reestablish colonialism/strong imperialism

Wants an ethno state or theocracy

Is wildly nationalist and xenophobic

Anyone want to pipe in with what that actually makes them?

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fascism is just neoliberalism on steroids.

conservatives put the neoliberal work ethic and hierarchical logic on a pedestal. its probably part of the reason they want dictators.

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You think any given political bloc isn’t mostly made up of people that think it’s an identity? If so, you’re lucky to not have run into it.

Frankly, most people stick with whatever they are raised with, and that’s that. There’s just as many blind, inherited democrats as republicans in the US. Most people don’t even understand the policy platform of their party, much less bother to challenge the correctness of it for themselves.

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There aren’t two party platforms anymore. There’s one political party, and one cult. The cult doesn’t have policy. They make decisions to make the richest in the country richer, and keep their voting block scared over fabricated issues or issues they don’t care that much about. They had 12 years since 2002 to build a border wall, why is it always an issue? Is it because it’s just a grift to pay out construction companies? Maybe. They can’t win democratically so they go after votings rights and make sure the wrong people can’t vote. They exploit the very undemocratic nature of the electoral college and senate to hold a majority of the power with a minority of the overall popular vote. And when that all fails they don’t abandon their bastardized conservatism, they abandon democracy.

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Alrighty then.

Gotta be real with you, it took several reads for this to not seem like someone ranting a conspiracy theory.

And it’s still a rant even after I figured out what you were on about. Which is fine! Rant awat, it’s a shitty situation for damn sure.

But you miss the point.

Here’s my rant :)

The point is that we’re mired in a two party system, and held there by the electoral method. The electoral college is whatever, but as long as it’s the whole first-past-the-post mechanism underlying it, it really doesn’t matter what the college does because nobody other than those two groups are getting in.

Which is what I’m complaining about. I’m sick of voting for the the lesser of two evils out of desperation. Whether you (or anyone) likes it or not, the DNC is only useful in comparison to the other party. Without the Republicans as a boogeyman, a supposed opposite rather than just the farthest right section, the democrats are still a bunch of capitalist assholes as whole. They’re still voting for shit in Congress that’s absurd, and they have been my entire life.

That the democrats are at least willing to give lip service to human rights is great, yay. But it isn’t like that’s been the case all along. They were just better than the “other” side.

Fuck the two party system, and fuck the electoral mechanism that allows it is what I’m saying.

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It is what it is. The Democratic primaries are the real elections in my mind where you can vote for the person you like the best. In the general it’s about stopping the cult from gaining power and taking away more of our rights. I dislike people spreading apathy like they did in 2016, because we see the result. The cult can do whatever it wants and their members will still vote for them. Democrats are held to a much higher standard comparatively. Does it suck? Absolutely. It is what it is.

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I’ve never seen someone with Republican values call themselves a Democrat.

I’ve seen a lot of people with Democratic values call themselves Republicans.

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To them politics is not about ideas, or policies, or good governance. It’s all about identity.

Oh my god, I am stunned by the hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness here. So you think the right is obsessed with identity? Get the fuck out of here. I’ve seen the contempt the left has for any conservative minority. They feel entitled to black or female votes.

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The “left identity” is wanting everyone to have healthcare and education to struggle less. The “right identity” is quite loudly screaming about hurting the people they don’t like.

“The paradox of tolerance states that if a society’s practice of tolerance is inclusive of the intolerant, intolerance will ultimately dominate, eliminating the tolerant and the practice of tolerance with them.”

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There is no paradox. Tolerance is a social contract which includes the tolerant. If someone is intolerant, they break the contract and are therefore not included in it.

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If you tolerate intolerance, intolerance will rule. It’s literally a paradox by definition.

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Not entitled, just surprised when people vote for anyone who openly hates them and wants to take away their rights.

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When a lot of people that like that certain people are getting hurt and also don’t believe they won’t become the targets later.

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They feel entitled to black or female votes.

Lol, this reductionist shit is dumb no matter who does it. Fastest or not. Though then them fastests really fucking love it.

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Are you trying to say fascist?

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It’s called gas lighting

Why are you watching that garbage in the first place?

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So, I’m going to be that guy because it’s a pet peeve of mine.

It’s NOT called gas lighting. People like to throw that phrase around but it has one specific meaning, which has nothing to do with this situation.

Well, I guess it could have two meetings but the second one is literally lighting gas on fire.

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Yeah, it is for when someone is literally trying to convince you that you are crazy, that things you know are true didn’t happen. Usually found in abusive relationships.

Fox isn’t convincing people they are crazy. They’re telling people everyone else is and they’re the only same ones, bolstering their confidence, and that drives a false narrative on its own

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It’s called gas lamping… that’s our fun family joke when someone is clearly gaslighting…to correct them by gaslighting. I love my family

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its insightful to be aware of what your supposed opponent is doing.

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