femboys and egg culture rule

How to get out of an uncomfortable egg culture situation with this one simple trick.

Real talk: Calling people eggs is a violation of the egg prime directive, and is considered invalidating as you are trying to say that a person is not the gender they identify as, that their identity is invalid. Don’t call people eggs, like ever, it’s extremely uncool.

egg should only ever be a self-label anyway

Wait when did “egg” in the context of gender and sexuality become a thing?

“You egg” is an old insult in New Zealand since at least the 1980s meaning you are a dork or loveable idiot.

Edit: there’s heaps of examples in Taika Waititi’s NZ films.

Shakespeare uses it too!

@JohnDClay @Malgas omg this is as good as the time I found out Hieronymous Bosch had painted a kiwi bird.

Can you share a Pic of the Kiwi bird please ? 🥺

Also Shakespeare:

What, you egg! [He Stabs Him]

–Macbeth Act 4, Scene 2

I think if you make sure to call someone an “igg”, or preferably, a “bliddy igg”, then should still be fine

@porous_grey_matter I think I just need to make sure I only use it on other Kiwis.

Not the birds, though. That would be the equivalent of calling them babies, which I’d imagine they’d find very insulting.

Preferably while listening to Iminim’s Lose Yoursilf.

@Viking_Hippie aww man now I know how Americans feel when people reference Trump’s stupid sayings as if it’s their national culture.

Hadn’t thought about those assholes in a while.

Realising one is trans is often called “cracking your egg”. Calling someone an egg in this context means insinuating the person is trans (and hasn’t realised it yet).

Not necessarily trans, it’s just being unsure about which gender direction you want to choose. Nonbinary and “actually I am cis” are also valid outcomes after cracking.

Wild that you just called gender a choice

@tb_ thanks, got it. Has it been a thing for many years or is it new?

Not many years, but far from new in internet time scales. Maybe in the last decade or so.

It’s similar to being in the closet. When you come out as a trans person, you “come out of your shell” so to speak. As such, people who haven’t are considered to be “eggs” still inside their shells.

While we are talking about that, wouldn’t chrysalis be more fitting?

When the trans person hatches a beautiful butterfly emerges from the chrysalis.

They say that when the egg cracks, a cute chick comes out. Chick referring to both a trans woman and a baby chicken. Doesn’t work for trans men but that’s how the term started I believe.

Perhaps. I didn’t make the analogy. Personally, as a completely cis person, I think they both work really well. Maybe there’s some more significant meaning from another perspective.

Is this really real? Egg seems like such a fun and friendly thing to call someone, like saying they have a lot of potential! I don’t want look it up now cuz I’m gonna get my heart broken. Thank you at least for the warning, assuming you are being genuine.

An egg is a term in the LGBTQ community for someone who is exploring their gender or is in denial of it. When an egg cracks/hatches, a trans person has accepted who they really are. Calling someone an egg is telling them they’re trans, and is not something anyone should dictate about someone else.

Thank you for explaining that. That’s horrible and I’m saddened by how creative we are when it comes to tearing each other down…

it’s not tearing people down, it’s usually someone unintentionally doing something hurtful when they mean to try to help someone.

read the first section of this, it explains the issue (the egg prime directive) well: https://genderdysphoria.fyi/en/am-i-trans

How can egg_irl memes then work? Seems like there’s a fine line with them.

Self-proclaimed eggs realize they might be not-cis; but they haven’t found themself yet. Or are in the denial phase. Or many other things.

Our shell show cracks, but we haven’t hatched yet.

Eggs and hatched eggs post memes about being an egg or questioning their own gender. Other people seeing the memes may or may not relate.

The issue is in telling someone they are trans. Read this if you’re really interested, the first section is about the egg prime directive and explains this concept and why it’s important really well: https://genderdysphoria.fyi/en/am-i-trans

Memes about calling others eggs are often controversial. Most of the memes are either just general trans memes that aren’t really egg-specific or people making fun of their own egginess.

It’s ok to call yourself an egg, but calling other people eggs is like saying “I know your gender identity better than you do”.

I’d say the only time it’s ok to call someone else an egg is if it’s past tense, if the person has transitioned, and if their transition is public knowledge.

Oof, that sounds so horrible! I’m not even sure that using egg in past-tense seems right. That feels like drinking with buddies when someone who’s known you your whole life starts regaling the group with the last time you peed the bed. Sure, it’s out of your control and there’s nothing to be particularly ashamed of, but why you gotta bring that up, yo?

Right, it can still out someone. But between friends that know each other’s boundaries it’s fine

I’ve always thought of it like the prime directive: you shouldn’t interfere, you should only be there in a supportive fashion when it happens.

Fem boys aren’t an example of an egg anyways. If a person is calling a femboy an egg they are completely misunderstanding what an egg is.

Eggs are funny and sometimes adorable because they don’t quite know who they are and they give hints at who they want to be. A femboy is someone who knows who they are.

Ah man… So I can’t use my favorite Shakespearean insult?

I think there’s enough difference in the context and tone that these two use-cases don’t really collide much besides being the same word.

“Egg” on its own is generic enough that it really needs context to know what one means, usually said context is situational.

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