The group left in a U-Haul box truck that was driven out of the county, police said, indicating the demonstrators were outsiders.
A small group of neo-Nazis marched in downtown Nashville, Tennessee, on Saturday, drawing a few vocal opponents and ultimately leaving following a “challenge,” police said.
The demonstrators, all men, wore red, long-sleeve T-shirts and black pants, and some carried black Nazi flags, according to verified social media video from the scene.
“Neo-Nazi demonstrators … carried flags with swastikas, walked around the Capitol and parts of downtown Saturday afternoon,” Nashville police said in a statement.
No arrests were reported, and the group left in a U-Haul box truck that ultimately exited greater Nashville, police said, indicating the demonstrators may have been from out of town.
“Some persons on Broadway challenged the group, most of whom wore face coverings,” the department said. “The group headed to a U-Haul box truck, got in, and departed Davidson County.”
People need to start taking the paradox of tolerance seriously.
“How do I compromise with someone who wants to put me standing at a wall and shoot me? Stand sideways?”
The compromise is to put them in jail.
They want to kill you, so instead of killing them, just jail them.
I know it was rhetorically, just wanted to give that answer.
And how well did that work with Adolph Hitler? History seems to suggest that jailing would-be Fascist dictators only delays the inevitable, and tends to work in their favor by galvanizing their followers over the “injustice” of their incarceration. For moral and ethical reasons, I truly wish that were the appropriate response. History says it isn’t nearly as final as the solutions these maniacs devise for their scapegoats.
Is there a general paradox of compromise, where the assumption that everything has a middle ground is wrong? The paradox of intolerance would be a specific example, but there is also the idea that common ground can always be found between two opposing sides.
For example someone against the death penalty because the courts keep putting innocent people on death row aren’t going to compromise on some acceptable number of innocent people dying.
Edit: bunch of morons downvoting because they apparently assume the worst in someone being curious while still on topic. Someone answered that what I was looking for was the Golden Mean Fallacy.
Tolerance of intolerance breeds intolerance. It’s the ‘Nazi Bar’ scenario.
You run a bar. One day, a blatantly obvious Nazi comes in, be he keeps to himself and doesn’t bother anyone. A week later, he comes back but he has some Nazi friends with him. You notice some of your regular patrons get up and leave. Over time, the number of Nazis that show up to your bar increases while the number of regular customers dwindles to nothing. Without intending it, you now have a Nazi bar. If you’d have just kicked the first Nazi out, it wouldn’t have happened.
Is there a general paradox of compromise, where the assumption that everything has a middle ground is wrong?
If i understood your question right then i might have something close for you, rather than being called a paradox an informal fallacy called “argument to moderation”
The “Argument to Moderation” (argumentum ad temperantiam) is the fallacy that the truth always lies somewhere between two opposing positions.
While I understand that you actually wanted to ask about a specific theory, it did not come out very well.
The neo-nazis are everywhere, getting more and more in the open, and it’s getting very scary for many people.
So I don’t question why they buried you with downvotes.
I wish there was an easy solution to this problem, and I worry a lot about what is to come.
I don’t understand why it did not come across well, as I was expanding on the paradox I already agreed with. You don’t need to answer, just expressing thoughts since the message I intended to convey did not land.
Did asking about the death penalty from the opposition’s standpoint instead of a proponent asking to compromise with just a few executions make it seem like I was disagreeing with death penalty opponents?
I used that example because I am personally opposed to the death penalty for that reason. No, I don’t want to compromise on the death penalty any more than I want to tolerate intolerance because both allow for worse and worse actions from the evil side.
There is a very easy solution to the problem but it requires the cuntservatives to kick the ‘freedom caucus’ to the curb.
Which won’t happen.
There is also a very hard solution that we needed to employ in Germany a few years back.
If the right doesn’t take the easy solution, we will have no choice but to take the hard.
For example someone against the death penalty because the courts keep putting innocent people on death row
I know it’s not the point of your comment but that’s not the only reason people are against the death penalty.
Doesn’t matter why in this analogy. Meeting in the middle between 0 and X innocent deaths, is still going to leave more than 0 innocent deaths. Which should be unacceptable to all non-sociopaths.
It’s illustrating the fallacy of assuming there is always a compromise in an argument. Sometimes there are, but not with Nazis or any intolerant groups, with the exception of intolerance of the intolerant, which is necessary to keep a society tolerant.
Police doing police shit: “They drove away … indicating that we think they were outsiders.” Uhauls can be rented and picked up anywhere. Pigs won’t lift a finger to stop nazis.
It’s gonna be awkward at home and at work when they arrest people they know.
It’s not their job, our constitution protects nazi protestors the same way it protects climate protestors. The right to assembly.
Confronting these things is our job, as citizens. Not the police’s job. If they weren’t causing any trouble, then the police are supposed to let them be, for better or for worse.
I think the thing in this case is that it is the job of police to pull over a box truck full of human cargo. The implication here is so you think they’d have let a truck they knew was full of immigrants just drive away?
It’s not cops job to pull over dozens of people not following traffic laws like wearing a seatbelt?
Sure seems like it’s literally their job, but they just didn’t want to do it when it Nazis. Wonder why that is?
TN only requires seat belts for driver and front seat passengers. It’s even perfectly legal to ride in a truck bed on a highway.
If they weren’t causing any trouble, then the police are supposed to let them be, for better or for worse.
It’s neat that this is a consideration now that it benefits nazis.
You’re almost there. Yes their primary role is to protect capital interests through systemic oppression. They selectively enforce certain laws over others.
They will beat down peaceful leftist and progressive demonstrations through the enforcement of petty law breaking like jay walking. I’ve been witness to this. They could do this here but they choose not to because capitalism requires systemic racism.
Their primary role is whatever the local governance makes it. There is no universal set of regulations governing local police. Though we might need some.
Additionally, what one person witnesses and attests to is not a sound basis for making policy decisions.
All that said, I do agree that leftist protestors frequently get treated more harshly than right-wing protestors, and that is a problem we need to address.
Nazi ideology is explicit violent and encourages murder of non-white people and others, there is no constitutional protection for literally threatening someone’s life even if only through words.
If you menancingly say to someone “I’m going to kill you” you can be charged with a crime for that in the US. Supporting Naziism is little different than saying “I encourage the murder of Jews and other non-Aryans.”
You are right of course.
I don’t think the Constitution should protect them. Hell, I don’t even think laws against murder should protect them.
But they do. If they break the law, throw the book at them. Until then, it’s our job to try and change the law or fight them on other fronts, such as in civil court, like they are doing in Massachusetts.
Childish take.
Tolerance will never extend to protect intolerance. Hate and violence will never be considered protected. It’s not “for better or worse” douche, it’s for WORSE because they are a violent hate group that wants to kill. Is this really so hard to comprehend?
lol No, it’s not. However, the law is not subject to any kind of broader ethics. It’s subject to laws written by people, whoever those people are and whatever they want, and the interpretations, which are again, done by people.
The law is not inherently “good”, so the ethical interpretation of it is just one consideration. The law is blind.
If everyone voted for nazis, and those nazis made laws banning being jewish on pain of death, then that is what the law would do. This is why we need to rely on ourselves, as citizens, to fight this battle and not merely hope in the law.
Nobody thinks it’s weird they didn’t rent a bus? They rented a UHaul box truck and just piled in and sat on the floor? Folding chairs? Like this sounds like some low budget human trafficking cosplay.
It’s because they want to be able to hide. You see a bus, not only do you know it’s full of people but you can often see through the windows, and they can see you. A box truck is a stealthier way to move those people, and it also prevents a bunch of wanna-be tacticool fascist shitfucks from seeing the crowd telling them to emulate their hero and kill themselves.
That’s probably the real reason. You can get a Uhaul for $20-30 for the day, a bus would be much higher.
It seems like a really reckless way to travel. Those things don’t open from the inside. If their driver was somehow incapacitated or if someone were to put a lock on the back latch, the nazis in that uhaul would be in serious jeopardy.
But even without that consideration, the idea of getting into a cramped unventilated vehicle that wasn’t designed for humans and trusting a nazi to transport you anywhere seems ill-advised.
They are neo-Nazis, thinking skills are not one of their strong suits. If the Nazis actually came back they’d have them all executed (like they did last time) because these people are useless. They are all far too self-important to follow orders, and too thick for command.
You just described the SS, my guy.
Brownshirt types might be useless on a battlefield but you don’t use them for that, you use them for paramilitary actions like intimidating citizens and rounding up isolated “enemies of the state.”
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Which seems illegal. Why couldn’t they have been pulled over and at least cited for not wearing a seatbelt?
Is that even legal? Shouldn’t the cops ticket them all for unsafe travel and make them take a bus home?
The only good nazi is a dead nazi.
I always assumed it would be like Lord of the Rings. When evil creatures die, they get burned, and nothing ever grows there again, the landscape permanently defiled.
While I do like that metaphor and gave such texture to Tolkien’s world, I prefer a more eastern philosophy that corruption and rot is a part of the cycle of life, and the vilest filth over time becomes nutrients for a new generation through immersion in earth and transformation.
Everyone, may I present the proud white race.
