I just watched The Marvels, and I liked it quite a bit, if I stopped short of loving it (but honestly, who LOVES marvel movies? The entire point is high floor/low ceiling entertainment). The plot meanders and it has a typical Marvel “understandable but underdeveloped” villain, but the leads had good chemistry, the switching dynamic was fun, the entire cast from Ms. Marvel is delightful, and Brie Larson is (finally) getting comfortable in the role. I was kinda surprised at how poorly it did, but also kinda not, because fanboys are proving that they really need to see themselves represented or they suddenly develop extremely high standards and demand only groundbreaking entertainment with perfect execution.
The Marvels is a good example of why people are starting to hate Marvel. Unless you’d already watched WandaVision, Cpt. Marvel, and Ms. Marvel you had no idea what was going on. It was like starting in the middle of Avengers Endgame.
I dislike marvel because there is no consequence to their plots and it has gone on so long.
Having to have watched previous movies isn’t a negative, just that the content in question was boring and not consequential in it’s own right.
The stories are not self contained but other than a couple of very major cross overs there is nothing happening in the movies that impacts the rest of the universe unless it is something important for the plot of the next piece.
I really wanted She Hulk to work. It was terrible. Moon Knight wasn’t perfect, but it had some good action and actual dread.
It’s true that female lead movies are judged more harshly, but just because a female lead movie flops isn’t always about the female and is about the movie.
I hear you but this one is another in a line of very misguided Sony movies, and the errors made in its production completely undermined both the plot and how it was going to tie into the failing multiverse.
In regards to DC movies, nobody is expecting them to be good for a while yet while they reboot everything. Then Marvel is flagging with several issues but Sony surprises everyone by releasing yet another non-Spiderman Spiderman movie.
Now on top of all that you’re right, sexism is playing into this too, especially from the toxic male fanboy culture, but to me this one was already on extremely shaky ground before it was released.
Idk what rock you’ve been living under, but the new Flash movie got absolutely trashed by critics and audiences, and everyone knows what a huge piece of shit Ezra Miller is.
You’re looking too hard for a controversy that isn’t there. This is a Sony live-action Spiderman adjacent film. All of them have been terrible. Madam Web is terrible too.
People criticized Venom, Venom 2, Morbius, and now Madame Web. People will probably criticize the solo Kraven movie whenever that comes out too. It’s not a conspiracy against women, it’s that Sony seems to fundamentally not understand how to make a good superhero flick.
It’s not limited to non-Spiderman either. ASM and ASM2 were trash as well.
Sony hasn’t had a good Spider-Man movie since Spider-Man 2 in 2004.
Into the Spiderverse was pretty stellar though, and Across the Spiderverse was a good sequel. I’d say both are on par with the original Sam Reimi trilogy, with the caveat that they are fully animated productions instead of live-action.
I’ve never heard of Madame Web and it has nothing to do with Spider-Man.
There’s only Spider-Man, and that’s it.
Nothing against female leads.
It really looks like Sony is just churning out the Spider-Movies so they don’t lose the licensing rights.
The only hits they had were the Spider-Verse flicks and those stood on the shoulders of what was essentially slave labor…
https://www.dualshockers.com/across-the-spiderverse-artist-abuse-superhero-movies/
https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/23/23771199/across-the-spider-verse-working-conditions-phil-lord
It does look like they’re churning out junk for the license.
Though I think the Venom movies were considered successful as well. And the latest live action Spider-Man trilogy was also Sony and successful, but they relied heavily on Marvel and its universe.
The last live action trilogy were Marvel movies in partnership with Sony.
The last live action Sony Spider-Man movies were ASM and ASM2.
Marvel Studios would explore opportunities to integrate MCU characters into future Spider-Man films, which Sony Pictures would continue to finance, distribute, and have final creative control over.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man:_Homecoming
Basically Marvel became producers for the films but Sony still made them.
Marvel should use Deadpool 3 as an opportunity to build toward the X-Men movie the franchise deserves. They could use solo movies to hype up the X-Men collaborative movie, just like they did with Avengers.
Like DC and the once-unstoppable Marvel, Sony is now finding itself in under the gun to reevaluate how it makes comic book movies.
“Now finding…”? Now?!
NASA spent millions trying to make a pen work in space
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/nasa-spent-millions-on-a-pen-able-t/
They (DC) will probably spin this as a teachable moment around “re-evaluating the corporate direction”
The US spent alledged millions, and when completed the Soviets bought the thing by the container.
I mean, the Raimi movies are looked back on pretty fondly and made millions. Spider Man 3 may not have reviewed the best, but it still made $895M at box office, which is an enviable sum today, almost 20 years later.