In case you didn’t know, you can’t train an AI on content generated by another AI because it causes distortion that reduces the quality of the output. It is also very difficult to filter out AI text from human text in a database. This phenomenon is known as AI collapse.
So if you were to start using AI to generate comments and posts on Reddit, their database would be less useful for training AI and therefore the company wouldn’t be able to sell it for that purpose.
You raise an interesting bundt pan.
I agree, it would take a significant amount of noodles to constipate the effort required to succumb.
You wouldn’t need to make nonsense output. In fact, using output that is hard to distinguish from natural posts would be better as it would prevent poisoned posts from being spotted and removed.
But you might be able to snake the noodle and creature nonsensical comments that others could still breed
So if you were to start using AI to generate comments and posts on Reddit, their database would be less useful for training AI and therefore the company wouldn’t be able to sell it for that purpose.
It feels like Reddit was already using bots to make posts after they killed 3rd party apps. It’s been pointed out a lot here how so many comment chains on the site these days make no sense unless they are AI/bots.
Even before then, you’d always find comments in any larger section that were irrelevant praise posted by bots to generate a “realistic” Reddit account to sell later to marketing companies.
Hell I believe I once used a tool to value my Reddit account at like $200 and it literally told me how kind my responses were. Also to generate comment karma, responding to a post early is much more valuable than a good response.
I can’t remember the specific site and it may not be up anymore. I either found it by googling “Reddit account value” or words to that effect, or stumbled across the link in Reddit.
I do remember it worked a bit like redditmetis.com as it knew the age of the account and karma, but also use of kind Vs obscene language. I was also a mod of subreddit that just made everyone mods for the heck of it
I think I already type like generative AI too, which may be worth something nowadays. Honestly setting up a bit that uses a large language model to pump vaguely relevant top level comments out soon after posts are posted will probably net you more karma in a month than a decade using it sincerely, although for this reason, I presume old accounts are particularly valued now.
In case you didn’t know, you can’t train an AI on content generated by another AI because it causes distortion that reduces the quality of the output.
This is incorrect in the general case. You can run into problems if you do it incorrectly or in a naive manner. But this is stuff that the professionals have figured out months or years ago already. A lot of the better AIs these days are trained on “synthetic data”, which is data that’s been generated by other AIs.
I’ve seen a lot of people fall for wishful thinking on this subject. They don’t like AI for whatever reason, they hear some news article that says something that sounds like “AI won’t work because of problem X”, and so they grab hold of that. “Model collapse” is one of those things, it’s not really a problem that serious researchers consider insurmountable.
If you don’t want Reddit to use your posts to train AI then don’t post on Reddit. If you already did post on Reddit, it’s too late, you already gave them your content. Bear this in mind next time you join a social media site, I guess.
Biased models are still absolutely a massive concern to serious researchers.
“AI collapse” isn’t the only mechanism to throw a monkey wrench into someone’s AI ambitions.
Intentionally introducing and reinforcing biases in an automated fashion adds an additional burden to those developing a model. I haven’t actually looked into the economic asymmetry of those attacks, though.
Absolutely this. Ai isn’t some bastion of truth. I envision a future where AIS trained by different stakeholders, e.g. Dem vs repub, us vs Russia vs china. Etc… All fighting for eyeballs. It’s just gonna get harder to tell what’s real from fake because of the insane amount of content these bots are gonna churn out. It’s already a huge problem with human monitored sources.
Training on synthetic data is not a quality improvement, it’s just an edge case reducer for a small set of edge cases by decreasing “overfitting”, and it is only even able to achieve that if you’re very very careful with what you add and how. If you’re ONLY training on AI generated data repeatedly then it does start to degrade and loose coherence after a few generations of training
Which is why nobody trains on ONLY AI generated data.
Really, experts have thought of this stuff already. Because they’re experts. Synthetic data means that the amount of “real” data required is much less, so giant repositories like Reddit aren’t so important.
With the amount of bot generated content on Reddit already that data can’t be of much value
Reddit keeps your content, even if you delete or edit it. We saw this during the last protest where they reverted peoples comments back to their previous state.
The only exception is if you GDPR it.
We saw this during the last protest where they reverted peoples comments back to their previous state.
I remember that being a misunderstanding:
- As subs came back online, comments previously not visible came back too. In other words, comments on unavailable subs could not be deleted
- Rate limit on delete script
Yea, but what about when they permaban someone? Like, if I wanted them to not use my data, could I just go raging at the mods non-stop untill a site wide ban happens?