6 points

Iā€™m no fan of Trump but one of these things is voluntary. If idiots want to choose to give him their post-tax earnings then I pity them but they should be able to do that.

The other is arguably a great benefit to society but is involuntary. We are taxed under threat of violence and have essentially no say in where the money goes. Our entire government is super broken and lawmakers very rarely make laws. Also why tf do we have to fund the world police? Our infrastructure is crumbling and our people are struggling to pay for basic needs.

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Yeah, this meme is funny but a false equivalence. Student loans are also voluntarily taken on to pay for education, while Trumpā€™s bill is from a legal judgement that in the minds of those donating has been falsely given by a corrupt court.

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5 points

I think the rationale is the same as those donation-based religious cults; by taking down the head, itā€™s possible to better point out to victims the misinformation theyā€™re working off, that causes them to offer up their life savings. Eg, previously there were some complaining that heā€™s reneged on prior promises after old donations.

Certainly less of a concern if people are actually donating ā€œspareā€ money and can survive without it, but some people really buy into the ā€œday of promiseā€ evangelism.

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-11 points

Doesnā€™t seem like a good comparison for the sake of the meme.

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Yeah I mean as much as I love to rag on Drumpf at every possible opportunity, itā€™s not like he chose to have a fine imposed on himself. In fact, he paid a lot of money to try to stop it

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12 points

I feel like he accepted the risk of a fine when he committed a bunch of crimes.

Or did I woosh real hard there?

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1 point

Well heā€™s not super bright and he relies on shitty lawyers he doesnā€™t always pay so it might be arguable that he didnā€™t think he committed crimes.

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5 points

Itā€™s not perfect. But:

Students who rack up debt: students must pay!

Presidents who rack up debt: society benefited, society should bear the cost.

Eh, something like that.

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6 points

Yeah im balls deep in Trumpā€™s rural maga America and these two topics are never discussed in shared company lol. Thereā€™s plenty to bitch about why make up new ones?

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3 points

When you took your loan, you should have known youā€™ll have to pay it off eventually. When Trump performed his net worth fraud, how could he reasonably know that heā€™ll eventually get caught?

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99 points

So punative damages are meant to scale with the wealth of a defendant so as to act as a proper punishment/deterrent of future offenses. Trump being able to crowd fund this punishment defeats the purpose of it. As such, either Trump should not be allowed to crowd fund at all (for anything, because he can always use that to undercut his punishment), or the court should compensate for this and multiply the damages to reflect this money stream into his net wealth.

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39 points

Yeah isnā€™t this benefit from a crime?

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43 points

GoFundMeā€™s Terms of Service specifically forbid fundraising for ā€œthe legal defense of alleged financial and violent crimes,ā€ so this fundraiser should be taken down. The next step would be for Trump to set up the equivalent sort of thing in-house, the way he made his own Twitter, then I really donā€™t know how this gets regulated.

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20 points

At 2.9% of $355M, Iā€™d bet $10.3M in fees will win out.

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To be fair, this isnā€™t for defense, itā€™s to pay the fine, or post the bond at least.

Plus, itā€™s their site, they can ignore their own terms of service.

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Itā€™s been up for about two weeks. TOS doesnā€™t matter if youā€™re Trump - remember r/thedonald, Twitter, Facebook, YouTubeā€¦

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