99 points

So punative damages are meant to scale with the wealth of a defendant so as to act as a proper punishment/deterrent of future offenses. Trump being able to crowd fund this punishment defeats the purpose of it. As such, either Trump should not be allowed to crowd fund at all (for anything, because he can always use that to undercut his punishment), or the court should compensate for this and multiply the damages to reflect this money stream into his net wealth.

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43 points

GoFundMeā€™s Terms of Service specifically forbid fundraising for ā€œthe legal defense of alleged financial and violent crimes,ā€ so this fundraiser should be taken down. The next step would be for Trump to set up the equivalent sort of thing in-house, the way he made his own Twitter, then I really donā€™t know how this gets regulated.

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20 points

At 2.9% of $355M, Iā€™d bet $10.3M in fees will win out.

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9 points

Itā€™s been up for about two weeks. TOS doesnā€™t matter if youā€™re Trump - remember r/thedonald, Twitter, Facebook, YouTubeā€¦

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1 point

To be fair, this isnā€™t for defense, itā€™s to pay the fine, or post the bond at least.

Plus, itā€™s their site, they can ignore their own terms of service.

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39 points

Yeah isnā€™t this benefit from a crime?

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92 points

It would be a shame if people reported this fundraiser to be a violation of GoFundMeā€™s terms of serviceā€¦

https://www.gofundme.com/c/terms

"PROHIBITED CONDUCT

ā€¦

Without limiting the foregoing, you agree and represent, warrant and covenant:

A. not to use the Services to raise funds or establish or contribute to any Fundraiser with the implicit or explicit purpose of promoting or involving:

ā€¦

  1. the legal defense of alleged financial and violent crimes;"
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23 points

I thought they already have a statement saying it doesnā€™t violate their TOS. Which seems definitely wrong but who knows.

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21 points

Same reason why Twitter didnā€™t ban him till after he stopped being the Presidentā€¦ The attention brings cash

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11 points

With respect, I think this is a waste of time. This is probably the biggest fundraiser on the site right now. Theyā€™re aware and making fat bucks off of it, so they are not going to shut it down because of a TOS violation.

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10 points

I would love to report but why do they need name and phone number?

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8 points

Possibly to prevent frivolous reports? Without a verifiable identity, anyone can create numerous reports with fictitious identities.

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2 points

Those are easily detectable via other means.

Theyā€™re collecting peopleā€™s information so they can sell it.

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1 point

I guess I could just input garbage data, but imo it should be enough to just report at give a reason.

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8 points

Does paying the judgement count as paying for the defense?

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50 points

Devilā€™s advocate:

Your average Trumpie has never heard of a predatory loan and believes students got themselves into debt, let 'em hang.

Meanwhile they also believe Trump is the victim of malicious, politically motivated, prosecution. Itā€™s not his fault he owes 1/2 a billion dollars in fines!

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Yeah they are gullible morons that can be tricked into believing literally anything.

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I literally 10 minutes back said the same thing to one such specimen, here on lemmy.

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4 points

Honestly sometimes it scares me how easy it would be to make money with various scams. Itā€™d be so easy to come up with a scam suppliment with the correct mix of pseudoscientific bullshit with some heavily implied but legally non explicit nods to popular conspiracy theories. As for ingrediants you just need water, starch, caffeine and whatever mystical/rare sounding bullshit you can find.

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Niacin for tingle. Thatā€™s how you know it works.

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30 points
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Conservatives are terrible at business and economics. Their entire strategy is to enable and promote nepotism, monopolies and exploitation of the vulnerable.

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7 points

They should have taken out loans and went to school like me lol

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24 points

The more they contribute to Trumpā€™s judgements, legal fees, and lawyers fees, the less available to use to finance his general election campaign.

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He doesnā€™t need a general campaign. The outrage machine will provide it for him.

Iā€™m more interested by the idea that he will drain other candidates of their funds by gobbling up the RNC coffers.

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4 points

That might be true, but I am sincerely, genuinely, worried about where the money will come from instead.

This isnā€™t some principled elder statesman weā€™re talking about here. Heā€™s not going to pass the hat around, see that itā€™s not enough money, and pass it back saying ā€œwell, we tried.ā€ No, winning is the only move heā€™s left himself in this obscene farce of a career heā€™s built, and thereā€™s no low he wonā€™t stoop to in order to get there. Heā€™d sooner put the entire campaign, and by extension The White House, up for sale than lose.

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5 points

Did you miss the foreign governments paying for rooms in Trump properties at far above the normal rates for their areas, and then not even having anyone actually stay in the rooms? How about the special access to Trump depending on how much you pay at Mar a Lago? Or the lenders that write loans for him and then donā€™t go after him when he doesnā€™t repay them?

Trump has been up for sale since his first presidential campaign, so this wonā€™t suddenly make him vulnerable to corruption, as heā€™s already one of the most corrupt individuals in politics.

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Oh no, Iā€™m fully aware of all that. But thereā€™s no reason why he couldnā€™t double-down or seek additional buyers.

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