White House urges developers to dump C and C++::Biden administration calls for developers to embrace memory-safe programing languages and move away from those that cause buffer overflows and other memory access vulnerabilities.

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I’m not sure what to think about this. It’s bizarre, the White House making any recommendations on programming languages.

They’re definitely not seen as an authority in this field. Why would anyone care what recommendation they make? And so why make one at all?

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They’re definitely not seen as an authority in this field. Why would anyone care what recommendation they make?

It’s possible that they are acting on the advice of advisors who are authorities in this field.

And so why make one at all?

I expect it’s because information and industrial security are components of national security, which is of great concern to them, and those things depend on software.

I’m not surprised to see this, given that state-sponsored electronic attacks are on the rise these days.

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This is exactly why people sound sophomoric when they say “lobbying needs to go!” There are some drastic problems with lobbying as it is allowed now, but the last thing we need is the government regulating things they know nothing about without the input of experts. On top of that, it’s nonsense that I can’t pass my local councilman on the street and stop and push them to spend more time addressing important issues like climate change.

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It’s important to remember that the argument against lobbying isn’t about the broadest sense of the word “lobbying”, but rather about corporations and other moneyed interests having unfair and unhealthy influence over the laws that govern everyone else.

The people who decry lobbying probably agree with you; they’re just using the word in an implicitly narrow context.

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I don’t think your argument quite holds up. The directionality is important. It’s true that the government can’t always know about technical things directly, but I think it’s fine for the government to be expected to know which experts they need to consult, and for that process not to just be open to everyone (which just means more open to those with more money).

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29 points

It’s a national security threat

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12 points

C/C++ is a threat to mental stability

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18 points

NIST are the experts guiding the White House.

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NIST is mentioned

confused and angry screaming

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11 points

There have been words around this, like how software should be safe by design, but the regulation should come from the governing entity. This is simply materialized now, but there has been momentum.

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2 points

They can’t even figure out language for human interpretation much less computer interpretation.

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62 points

Gov is getting rusty

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58 points

I agree, let’s start with dumping Windows.

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20 points

Done, next the Linux kernel? 😱

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7 points

It’s a hard sacrifice to make, but if that means killing Windows, then mwahahaha… I mean, MS’s power lies in supporting all that legacy.

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46 points

Team Fortran raise up, but not too fast our old bones aren’t as strong as they used to be.

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7 points

Maybe you can use Team COBOL’s wheelchairs as walkers?

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3 points

I updated an internal library from 77 to 90 last week. We’re working quickly these days!

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43 points

Good luck with that, C/C++ are still crazy popular

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well… that’s the point - if they weren’t this wouldn’t be a concern

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4 points

We really need to get the kids to stop programming with punch cards. /s

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3 points

Damn, it’s been like 25 years since I touched either of those. Aside from OS development, do people really do that anymore?

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C++ is also the standard in game dev. You may see some C# here and there, but most engines, public available or otherwise, are built on C++.

If it is a AAA game, I can assure you it is most likely made with C++.

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6 points

Most of the embedded world uses those.

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https://www.geekboots.com/story/why-c-is-so-popular-and-still-the-best-programming-language

Basically, C runs the modern world. WiFi, MacOS, Windows, Linux, and so much more

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Embedded systems developer here. If you’re programming on ARM or one of the other big microcontrollers there aren’t many well supported options. ARM’s official Keil compiler and libraries are C and C++ and I see no official movement to change that.

They have literally decades in building those tools.

Microsoft’s multithreaded OS ThreadX is C code. They just bought it for a large undisclosed amount in 2018. It ain’t going anywhere soon.

AWS’s FreeRTOS is C. Not going anywhere.

Embedded development toolchains are very slow to change.

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A large chunk of not most of robotic development is C and C++. Since working with a mixture of hardware, software, and even performance software here comes C and C++.

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