500ml to 440ml?
Edit: the 440 on the right, is the last of a can that I bought in a four pack. The 500 on the left, is one of three I bought as singles.
Packaged Guinness comes in 440 milliliters. Single cans of Guinness come in 500 mL.
Apparently, that’s how Guinness does it here in Canada.
And apparently, I lazily avoided any attempt to research or apply any level of critical thinking before posting.
That is not new though? I am fairly certain I bought both sizes at various places all over Europe. I guess the 440 is meant for the british market while the 500 is intended for civilised countries.
In Britain lots of beers come on both sizes, and it makes comparing prices #mildlyinfuriating. Is 6x500ml at £7.99 better than 4x440ml at £4.50? What if there’s an 12 pack of 330ml stubbies for £15, but it’s Buy One Get One Free?
Purely curious myself, I asked GPT4 for you. This is the response:
Here’s how the prices compare per liter:
• 6x500ml at £7.99: £2.66 per liter
• 4x440ml at £4.50: £2.56 per liter
• 12x330ml at £15 (Buy One Get One Free): £1.89 per liter
The 12 pack of 330ml stubbies (with the Buy One Get One Free offer) offers the best value at £1.89 per liter.
GPT4 is wrong and it doesn’t require a price per litre comparison to prove it.
4 cans at 440ml cost £4.50. Therefore 12 cans at 440ml cost £13.50, £1.50 less than 12 cans at 330ml.
440ml is a UK variant. No one has a confirmed explanation for its existence alongside 500ml.
However 440ml of water would be 0.44kg which is just under one pound imperial weight (0.45kg). Presumably the fluid plus the aluminium can would weight about 1lb which may explain the odd volume measure (given transport costs and possibly even how customs costs may have used to work?).
I always thought it was because 440ml is a round number when you convert it from metric to medieval units (not a pint though, which is 568ml), but a quick google shows me there’s another reason:
One reason for the popularity of the 440ml size is its convenience for calculating alcohol units. A 440ml can at 4.5% alcohol by volume (ABV) equates to exactly 2 units of alcohol, making it easier for consumers to track their alcohol consumption
Beer in the UK is usually sold in pints, 1 pint = 538ml https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/310651734
P.S. I’m wrong, a pint is 568ml. Shrinkflation for real!
This is not shrinkflation.
440ml is a UK variant. No one has a confirmed explanation for its existence alongside 500ml, but it’s been around for decades.
However 440ml of water would be 0.44kg which is just under one pound imperial weight (0.45kg). Presumably the fluid plus the aluminium can would weigh about 1lb which may explain the odd volume measure (given transport costs are often by weight and possibly even how customs costs may have used to work?).
Guinness in the UK is sold in pints, like any other beer and ale (and milk) https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/310651734
1 pint = 538ml
P.S. I’m wrong, a pint is 568ml. Shrinkflation for real!
In a pub yes. But in cans both 500ml and 440ml are common sizes and have been for a long time. Pint sized cans are sometimes available but are much less common and I’m not sure I’ve ever seen them in a big multipack
I always wonder how far companies will go with this. Do they stop at 300ml? 200ml? Are we going to see 100ml cans of Guinness?
While I agree with the general sentiment, these are both standard sizes for Guinness and the 440ml 4 packs and 8 packs have been around for well over 20 years. Here in Canada, the 440ml are available in the multi packs while the 500ml are sold as individual cans. I’ve seen the same in the states. I think OP just saw the smaller volume can next to the slightly bigger one and jumped on the shrinkflation hate train without checking.
Guinness is owned by diageo a company know for having no bottom, toptier shit heads. They’d charge you full price to spit in your mouth if they could.
Also unpopular oppionion don’t drink this mediocre beer. Support local brewery’s there is probably one with a porter on nitro (guiness is barely a stout).
Sorry Irish people your cultural touchstone is a bit shit.
Definitely an interesting man and brewery for sure don’t get me wrong. The problem I have with guiness is the same I have with many famous breweries. Is that as soon as they are bought out by soulless mega corps be it AB inbev, Heineken, asahi or lion Nathan all that culture and history may as well be thrown out the window. The past of these great breweries is nothing more than a tool for the marketing team to increase sales numbers. Which is definitely a shame. Support local small business that are actively involved in your community over international mega corporations. Be a conscious consumer and vote with your dollar in everything not just beer.
Any famous beer that is associated with a country is usually shit… Like molson canadian, fosters, or bud light
It took me a while to realize guinness falls firmly into this category as well
I don’t think Fosters is associated with a country. Maybe Japan or England.
They’d charge you full price to spit in your mouth if they could.
TIL Guinness is owned by dominatrixes…? Dominatrices?
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dominatrix
Merriam-Webster says that both forms are acceptable.
I did local-ish. Then they were bought out and shrinkflated.
https://lemmy.ca/post/11674959
Was drinking Guinness til I found another.
Oof that’s rough. Im not sure how excise tax works where you are but here it’s every six months it increases. Beer seems to get worse /smaller /more expensive over time.
There was a beer I drank a lot 5 years ago from a local brewery that was a 6.5% abv ipa. They dropped the abv then dropped down to 4 packs then the price went up $5 aud. I get they are a business but it just wasn’t at a price point I could justify paying for it. There was a time where I gave up homebrewing because I could get local good beer for a good price. I’m contemplating taking it back up but it’s a lot of work.
Do they stop at 300ml? 200ml? Are we going to see 100ml cans of Guinness?
Speaking purely for frozen vegetables, there doesn’t seem to be a bottom. I was buying packs that were 1.2 or 1.3kg, then it went down to 1kg, then 750, now 500g… seeing a 500g package at MORE than what 1KG was selling for is hilariously infuriating. Not to mention, it uses twice the plastic to get the same amount of food.
I curse any company that does this.
Good one to cross post here: https://lemmy.ca/c/shrinkflation
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !shrinkflation@lemmy.ca
On that note, I’m kind of annoyed that the Threadiverse doesn’t have a standard way to link to a post or comment in a cross-instance way, just to a community.
6 pack bottles used to be 12 fl. oz. and they changed to 11.2. This was 5 or more years ago though.
Fantasy ounces, I think it’s used in D&D. What’s an ounce, though? Beats me.
Fluid ounces measure volume, so analogous to liters. As opposed to ounces which measure weight, so analogous to newtons, although everyone uses kilos to measure weight in day to day life.
There are also Troy ounces, which are for precious metals, but I honestly couldn’t say what those measure…
