500ml to 440ml?

Edit: the 440 on the right, is the last of a can that I bought in a four pack. The 500 on the left, is one of three I bought as singles.

Packaged Guinness comes in 440 milliliters. Single cans of Guinness come in 500 mL.

Apparently, that’s how Guinness does it here in Canada.

And apparently, I lazily avoided any attempt to research or apply any level of critical thinking before posting.

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I always wonder how far companies will go with this. Do they stop at 300ml? 200ml? Are we going to see 100ml cans of Guinness?

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shot cans. by germany’s definition, cus that’s only 20 ml.

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Guinness is owned by diageo a company know for having no bottom, toptier shit heads. They’d charge you full price to spit in your mouth if they could.

Also unpopular oppionion don’t drink this mediocre beer. Support local brewery’s there is probably one with a porter on nitro (guiness is barely a stout).

Sorry Irish people your cultural touchstone is a bit shit.

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Fun fact. Arthur Guinness was a staunch Unionist.

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Definitely an interesting man and brewery for sure don’t get me wrong. The problem I have with guiness is the same I have with many famous breweries. Is that as soon as they are bought out by soulless mega corps be it AB inbev, Heineken, asahi or lion Nathan all that culture and history may as well be thrown out the window. The past of these great breweries is nothing more than a tool for the marketing team to increase sales numbers. Which is definitely a shame. Support local small business that are actively involved in your community over international mega corporations. Be a conscious consumer and vote with your dollar in everything not just beer.

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Any famous beer that is associated with a country is usually shit… Like molson canadian, fosters, or bud light

It took me a while to realize guinness falls firmly into this category as well

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I don’t think Fosters is associated with a country. Maybe Japan or England.

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When you have built a brand reputation, you don’t have to care about actual quality.

I think it was good beer 100 years ago.

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They’d charge you full price to spit in your mouth if they could.

TIL Guinness is owned by dominatrixes…? Dominatrices?

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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dominatrix

Merriam-Webster says that both forms are acceptable.

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I did local-ish. Then they were bought out and shrinkflated.

https://lemmy.ca/post/11674959

Was drinking Guinness til I found another.

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Oof that’s rough. Im not sure how excise tax works where you are but here it’s every six months it increases. Beer seems to get worse /smaller /more expensive over time.

There was a beer I drank a lot 5 years ago from a local brewery that was a 6.5% abv ipa. They dropped the abv then dropped down to 4 packs then the price went up $5 aud. I get they are a business but it just wasn’t at a price point I could justify paying for it. There was a time where I gave up homebrewing because I could get local good beer for a good price. I’m contemplating taking it back up but it’s a lot of work.

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Do they stop at 300ml? 200ml? Are we going to see 100ml cans of Guinness?

Speaking purely for frozen vegetables, there doesn’t seem to be a bottom. I was buying packs that were 1.2 or 1.3kg, then it went down to 1kg, then 750, now 500g… seeing a 500g package at MORE than what 1KG was selling for is hilariously infuriating. Not to mention, it uses twice the plastic to get the same amount of food.

I curse any company that does this.

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Shrinkflation is the worse. Not only is it a sneaking price hike, it’s like the company is trying to gaslight you into thinking it was always that size.

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While I agree with the general sentiment, these are both standard sizes for Guinness and the 440ml 4 packs and 8 packs have been around for well over 20 years. Here in Canada, the 440ml are available in the multi packs while the 500ml are sold as individual cans. I’ve seen the same in the states. I think OP just saw the smaller volume can next to the slightly bigger one and jumped on the shrinkflation hate train without checking.

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That is not new though? I am fairly certain I bought both sizes at various places all over Europe. I guess the 440 is meant for the british market while the 500 is intended for civilised countries.

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Why would the 440ml be for the UK specifically?

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I always thought it was because 440ml is a round number when you convert it from metric to medieval units (not a pint though, which is 568ml), but a quick google shows me there’s another reason:

One reason for the popularity of the 440ml size is its convenience for calculating alcohol units. A 440ml can at 4.5% alcohol by volume (ABV) equates to exactly 2 units of alcohol, making it easier for consumers to track their alcohol consumption

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Nice sleuthing, I was just checking it against non metric volumes and closest is a US pint (437.1…ml).

We all (maybe) learned something new today.

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2 units of alcohol?

What is a unit of alcohol?

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I guess it translates to one of those units used in the US and UK, that you divide by twentyeleven, then multiply by two large fries, and you get the result in football (which is actually hand-egg ball) fields.

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Germany has the 440, Belgium has(had?) the 500.

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My local Aldi had the 500ml cans here in Germany this week so I guess you could get both.

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Yeah, this is not new and not shrinkflation… here in Canada the 440ml has been around for over 20 years in multi-packs, and the 500ml is available as individual cans.

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In Britain lots of beers come on both sizes, and it makes comparing prices #mildlyinfuriating. Is 6x500ml at £7.99 better than 4x440ml at £4.50? What if there’s an 12 pack of 330ml stubbies for £15, but it’s Buy One Get One Free?

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Purely curious myself, I asked GPT4 for you. This is the response:

Here’s how the prices compare per liter:

•	6x500ml at £7.99: £2.66 per liter
•	4x440ml at £4.50: £2.56 per liter
•	12x330ml at £15 (Buy One Get One Free): £1.89 per liter

The 12 pack of 330ml stubbies (with the Buy One Get One Free offer) offers the best value at £1.89 per liter.

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GPT4 is wrong and it doesn’t require a price per litre comparison to prove it.

4 cans at 440ml cost £4.50. Therefore 12 cans at 440ml cost £13.50, £1.50 less than 12 cans at 330ml.

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440ml is a UK variant. No one has a confirmed explanation for its existence alongside 500ml.

However 440ml of water would be 0.44kg which is just under one pound imperial weight (0.45kg). Presumably the fluid plus the aluminium can would weight about 1lb which may explain the odd volume measure (given transport costs and possibly even how customs costs may have used to work?).

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Beer in the UK is usually sold in pints, 1 pint = 538ml https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/310651734

P.S. I’m wrong, a pint is 568ml. Shrinkflation for real!

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A pint is 568ml.

Edit: the extra 30ml might be accounted for with the patented Guinness widget, a little ball of nitrogen gas that ruptures and forms a foamy head when the can is cracked.

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I just bought dog food today. What was 50 lbs is now 40. The next size down used to be 35 lbs. When it gets down to 35, will they reintroduce a 50 pound bag or will I need to buy two 35 now?

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Happened here in the states about a year ago. So now the usual pint glasses look weird. But they have the new smaller 14oz ones. Dumb.

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Imperial weight, thank the Brits.

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An imperial pint is 568 mL.

A pint in the American customary unit system is 473 mL.

I don’t think anything is 440 mL.

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I think that beer on the right is 440mL.

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Check out the big brain on Brad!

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The 440ml beer + can weight is an imperial pound.

440ml = 440g + 14g can weight

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That’s a thought, but I don’t think that it’s actually 1 lb, unless you’ve got a source somewhere saying that that’s what they’re aiming for.

A standard aluminum soda can – 12 fluid ounces – apparently weighs about 15 grams, and a Guiness can holds 14.87 fluid ounces, so it’ll be heavier.

Beer is – looking at some online numbers, though it varies by beer – maybe about 5% denser than water.

I’d guess – and I don’t have a can of Guiness to weigh handy – that it’d probably weigh about 480 grams.

A pound would be 453 g.

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