I see this a lot in media criticism. People complaining about “plot holes” or something just not making sense, meanwhile it was explicitly pointed out or explained. I’d blame people being on their phones or something, but the truth isn’t that sympathetic.
A good example is Titanic where people keep saying Jack could fit on the door, despite the film showing him trying to get onto the door and almost capsizing it, so he leaves it alone to ensure Rose’s safety.
Even if he could fit on it, calling it a plot hole still doesn’t make sense to me. I’d way sooner assume the character is just a chivalrous idiot that died for no reason, which does fit his characterisation and the plot of the movie.
Also clearly people who have never fallen out of a two person canoe/kayak and tried to get back in without tipping the whole thing over.
Oh, you mean those things where you hold on and they keep you afloat? Because he was holding on, and the icy cold waters put him to sleep. Your solution is what killed him in the movie.
The entire point of the scene is to show the sacrifice of those who died to ensure the survival of those who lived. If you try to think up a solution, you have missed the point.
People weren’t on their phones when they saw the Stormtroopers let the rebels get away from the death star so they could track them, heard one rebel say “they let us get away from the death star so they can track us,” and then spent 50 years joking about how awful stormtrooper aim is
It’s a good thing there’s like 12-15 different scenes with stormtroopers who can’t aim in the original trilogy then.
Another one of my favorites: when people read between lines that aren’t there.
I said what I said, not what you heard.
Now we’re arguing about what I said even though it was 5 seconds ago.
Irl I often repeat what other people say in my own words and ask them if that’s what they believe. It both helps me understand where they’re coming from and confirm I get them
On the Internet I almost never do.
Communication is a two way street. You can be as explicit as you want but if people are trying to win an argument instead of have a discussion they’re going to misconstrue what you’re saying more often than not.
So what you’re saying is you make shit up and then when people deny it, you look at them all smug like “I told you so”?
@fsxylo @Mandarbmax Two of the three direct replies are solid Exhibits A and B of exactly what you’re talking about xD
I see. But 30 dollars in change are heavy and impractical to carry around. Even if it’s the same value, I’d have to prefer the Bills. My wife is rather petite and has to carry around a lot of change and says it’s tiresome at times.
As someone who has 30$ in bills, even they get in the way and manage to be obnoxious. There was a girl in my middleschool who had "a lot* of change and she was constantly miserable. I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.
IDK if this is actually a fashion trend but, I’ve noticed recently some girls with $30 in bills going braless? Like dressed up professionally for office job, sans bra.
I would 100% do this.
I would be annoyed if I was unable to because I had too much change.
Yeah, a lot of women are rebelling against the idea that you have to wear a bra to look “professional”. Truly people should be able to do what makes them comfortable. I wish I could go bra-less, but my back would give out before the end of the day.
I feel like we’re going back more to bra-less or “less structured” styles for all sizes, or at least I see it more, which I think is cool. A large portion of people also have pains with bras because there is a lot of shitty/predatory retailers that don’t stock “uncommon” sizes and will try to shove you into “something” so you leave with a purchase so I think it’s kind of a twofold thing. It is shockingly hard to find weird/uncommon sizes outside of online or boutique stores too which can get pricey fast, and finding or having the money to properly find a bra that fits is honestly frustrating because there is huge fluctuation between brands (when there shouldn’t be!!!).
I personally am not a fan of bearing nips to the world so I’m forever stuck with bras/pasties but maybe one day lol.
“my wife is rather petite” also supports your view point on the topic.
BUT another way of viewing the topic is that $30 in paper money only has that value because it has it written on it. If you set them both on fire and melt them, copper and nickel maintain a lot more of their value than paper currency.
So really it can be argued either way ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Analogies only go so far. Even the best will break down if you stretch it too far.
I like contactless payment, but these contactless tits aren’t for me.
Do you remember those days when you’d go abroad and have to exchange your tits for the local tits? It was nice trying to collect them.
I, for one, would greatly prefer breasts that are acceptable currency at vending machines.
I came to a similar conclusion from the greentext. Big and small are valuable but one is more convenient to carry around with you (due to the mass).
E: I think I see the tumblr users’ confusion here… the sentence
Suppose you had $30 in coins as well, which would have greater mass?
can be interpreted like a semicolon or separate sentence…
Suppose you had $30 in coins as well. Which would have greater mass?
or as a extension describing the object…
Suppose you had $30 in coins which would have greater mass as well?
Some might have taken the latter interpretation which makes the rest of the story incomprehensible.
The latter interpretation is itself incomprehensible. So yes, it renders the story incomprehensible, but I don’t know why anyone would consider it.
You are correct it is, I’m trying to highlight where things diverged in the story into gibberish, which is not easy to tell for someone that lost the thread of the story there. The word “which” is the key difference, so if people miss the first interpretation and go with the other cadence when reading.
Try this: Read the word “which” in the original sentence in your head or out loud once with a higher pitch than the rest of the sentence. Then try reading the sentence again with the word “which” at the same or lower pitch as the rest. If the reader goes the wrong path then they might not even realize that the alternative is there.
Someone posted a lengthy podcast about how many kids are taught to read badly. https://features.apmreports.org/sold-a-story/
There was another article a couple weeks ago that said less than half of us adults can read at a 6th grade level. 6th grade is before you really get into metaphor and subtext. That’s just reading for plot.
Some people legitimately might be bad at reading.
The people on text based sites are probably better than a whole chunk of people that don’t even post.
It’s not about reading comprehension, it’s about the reader not understanding the unwritten parameters of the question. That the possibility that neither have greater value exists.
I recall one occasion where something similar happened to me back in middle school. We were learning about probability using dice rolls. One of the questions on the worksheet was (something like) “What is the best way to influence the probability of the dice roll outcome?”
When the question was posed to me I fully understood that there was no way to influence the probability, assuming no influence by external factors, the probability of a given outcome will always be equal. But the fact that the question was posed to me in this way led me to believe that this was not the answer the question was looking for. It implied that in fact there was a way to influence the result, so I got very frustrated in trying to come up with an answer which made sense. In this situation I felt that actually the question was wrong, and got upset that the task I had been set to answer it was impossible to complete correctly. When I realised that the true intent was just to get me to acknowledge that there was no way to influence the result, I felt betrayed by the framing of the question. I knew the answer the whole time, it was obvious, but the framing of the question misled me to believe that was not the intended answer.
The question in my case wasn’t actually an earnest question about probability, the pretext for is was deliberately false. There was no way for me to figure it out using better reading comprehension. The intent of the question can only be realised via comprehension of non-written concepts, essentially being able to recognise when someone is trying to throw you a curveball. It isn’t quite the same as just recognising the path of the ball being thrown to you, because in that case it appears to be being thrown away from you.
If you examine the person replying person’s responses, that’s pretty much where they’re at. The whole ‘dude is expecting the answer to be their own views’ thing is conjecture, what they’re expecting is a view given an existing proposition that there is a view to take.
The intent of the question can only be realised via comprehension of non-written concepts, essentially being able to recognise when someone is trying to throw you a curveball.
Dude, hate to break it to you, but that is one of the key skills of reading comprehension.
Damn, my ego from 20-something years ago is shattered. Anyway please, tell me more about how a key part of reading comprehension is actually comprehension of non-textual information ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° )
I mean, sometimes questions have assumed context that make it harder to understand or answer correctly. I don’t think how money works is an obscure topic among contemporary Internet using people.
I think “rhetorical questions” are either a subcategory or close relative of reading comprehension. When someone says “who watches the watchmen?” they’re not looking for a literal “Bob, cuz that’s his hobby, got a police scanner and everything” answer. You’re supposed to think about it and make some connections.
Rhetorical questions in the style of the OP go back thousands of years. Being unfamiliar with this concept is not great. Maybe not a reading comprehension problem, strictly, but poor literacy.
And for your dice question is “weight the dice” not an acceptable answer?
A close relative, sure. But to point to reading comprehension and go on to elocute about that would not have basis in this example, in my view. The crux of the issue literally isn’t written, as you say, it is assumed. The point being it is an implication from fully external understanding. It isn’t that there is an inference to be made or dots to be connected based on notions only vaguely referenced by the text, e.g that the value could be equal / that dice rolls being equal is a valid answer. Because there is no vague reference in the text. Correct understanding in either case fully depends on understanding of concepts outside the text. The person with the best reading comprehension in the land would be unable to comprehend the text without that external understanding.
To put it more succinctly, if comprehension is understanding stuff, reading comprehension is understanding stuff based on what is written, right? The issue being that in this case the lack of comprehension is about something that wasn’t written. It is a comprehension issue unspecific to reading.
On the other hand life is full of those kinds of “bad questions”: poorly framed questions, leading ones, arguments in bad faith, etc. You’re going to encounter them on future tests and in real life, and often the stakes are higher.
That question might have been shit at teaching about probability but it was a far more important lesson in disguise.
Even though you understood it as “influence the dice without external phenomena”, and it may be stated elsewhere in the worksheet, the question doesn’t explicitly state “no external phenomena”. Just weight the dice.
After voicing my specific problems with the question (effectively answering it in the way it was designed to be answered in the process), I was rebuffed by the teacher because this protest was not in the form of a written answer on the sheet. They were dead set on me writing the specific non-answer they thought of and marking anything else incorrect, regardless of whether understanding of probability was demonstrated. I, like most of my classmates, contrived some nonsense answer such as “the cutouts for the number markings on each side slightly imbalance the dice”, and was marked wrong.
We should create a space to help these people, maybe some kind of center for adults who can’t read good and wanna learn to do other stuff good too.
One good thing is most of those “adults can’t read” things don’t take into account that many adults can read just fine…in spanish, or their otherwise native language, but get counted for these because their english reading is less than 6th grade.
Still too damn many english-as-a-first-languagers can’t read either, but usually less than the scary numbers suggest for america.
Yeah, I saw some arguments about that and I’m not sure how to unconfound the data. Meant to look into it more but haven’t yet
“Not sure how to unconfound the data”
Ironic on a post about reading comprehension
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The downvoters out here not getting the parable either xD
