193 points

Fuck yeah, and fuck any company that does that shit

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114 points

I.e. Apple

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That’s the first one that came to mind. They started every shitty trend in the industry

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27 points

Is John deere exempt?

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I feel like printers started it. Everyone I had used to setup came with some insane cable. Not to mention the actual cartridge

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11 points

It’s the legacy that stinky piece of shit Steve Jobs left behind. That, skirting foreign labor laws, treating your own child like shit and stabbing your friends in the back.

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16 points

There are others. Apple wasn’t the first, nor the last, but they were the most notorious for sure.

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12 points

Agreed. But other companies like Samsung and Google that dunked on Apple for their shitty practices, then completely adopt them a few generations later are fucking pathetic.

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4 points

Samsung

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6 points

I bought a brother printer model J1010DW because it’s brother, right? Also it was the cheapest brother printer in stock locally around the time I was sick & tired of detouring to the print shop.

The color cartridges still have tons of ink swashing in them, but the printer won’t even print in b&w because it detects the other cartridges as empty. So I try the tape-over-the-ink-window method, and my printer says, HMM, I GUESS THERE’S INK NOW, BUT THESE MUST NOT BE BROTHER PRINTER CARTRIDGES, HURR DURR, and makes itself an overweight scanner.

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1 point

I have a canon printer that I buy from Walmart (yes, I said buy, not bought). Every time the ink runs out, I’d go buy a whole printer. Printer is $27 and the ink is $35. I don’t really print much, so whatever little print they give with the new printer lasts me for a long time. I’m thinking of just buying a laser one and call it a day since it never dries and it prints up 1500 papers per cartridge.

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5 points

Sony

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126 points

Some products — like devices powered by combustion engines, medical equipment, farming equipment, HVAC equipment, video game consoles, and energy storage systems — are excluded from Oregon’s rules entirely.

It’s interesting to me that Game Consoles get an exception… Not sure whats up there, other than straight up bribery lobbying.

HVAC makes sense when you consider environmental concerns (some refrigerants are really terrible pollutants).

Medical equipment, particularly equipment in public health care should be held to high standards. Authorized, properly trained repair; peoples lives depend on it.

Energy storage when attached to public infrastructure (you back-feeding the grid) can be a saftey concern for workers and the supply/load needs to be balanced to prevent damaging that infrastructure and other private equipment attached to it. Not sure preventing repair is the right move here; you can still buy and install new without oversight. Perhaps it’s again a saftey concern (for the person performing repair).

Vehicles, farming or otherwise, I’m on the fence about; there’s an argument to be made for public saftey/roadworthness, but I’m not sure that’s enough of an argument to prevent home-repair. Again seems more to do with lobbying than anything else.

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The farming equipment exemption smells like John Deere’s lobbies have been involved.

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29 points

Oh definitely.

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6 points

There are lots of loyal green customers who are really pissed about the ability to not be able to repair their own stuff, but yet keep buying it. (Similar to a lot of iPhone users)

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but yet keep buying it.

Probably because they’ll keep repairing it themselves anyway. Making it legal would just make it easier for them to repair it without triggering the tractor’s version of DRM (can’t remember what it’s called).

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84 points

John Deere probably bribed lobbied hard for that carve out. It was their practices that helped drive the right to repair movement. Giving them a pass really diminishes the accomplishment.

Smaller farms are going to get screwed over with all the fees and mandatory maintenance that can be imposed.

Everyone gets angry about printers needing a debit card on file but manufacturers like John Deere do similar stuff. If they think you’ve tinkered with it, they can disable the equipment remotely.

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56 points

Cars have been home repaired since cars existed. It has never been a notable safety concern. Somehow it suddenly is?

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It’s always been a concern; just not enough of one to explicitly forbid working on a vehicle without specific training/licensing. Hence vehicle inspections/roadworthy tests; someplaces more strictly than others.

It’s possible that concern was part of the justification for not requiring manufacturers to make it easier. Spitballing.

As I said, I’m on the fence about it myself. Thing is, a vehicle on public roads has a lot of opportunity to injure or kill someone if a repair was made incorrectly. It’s about more than just a person and the thing they own.

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3 points

One thing I’ve notice is you can’t modify the software “because of safety”, but breaks, fuel pipes, ignition systems, that all fine to modify!

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Emissions is the biggest concern honestly

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Cars emissions is going to be a thing of the past when ICE cars are gone. Can’t wait.

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-26 points

Even cheap cars now have hundreds of processors. Modules can throw errors, send the car into limp, or deactivate the vehicle entirely.

Plus, emissions.

It’s a different game now.

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41 points

I’m sure that is what the car manufacturers claim.

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HVAC makes no sense to me considering the only real hazard in there is the actual refrigerant gas.

unless they manage to pair the gas, im sure they would if they could

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You joke but we’re almost there. Refrigerants are getting more and more proprietary. I work in the industry and with the push to go to lower global warming potential (GWP) refrigerants manufacturers have developed their own formulas here. It varies from manufacturer to manufacturer even amongst almost identical equipment. Getting the right refrigerant will only become more and more expensive the more boutique it is. The equipment can already tell what kind of refrigerant is in there based on the system pressures and temperatures.

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I’ve been watching Hyperspace Pirate on Youtube and he talks about how hard it is to get commercial access to some basic refrigerants (like ethylene) as someone who isn’t a Pro HVAC tech, and he uses it as an excuse to to create them himself for part of his content.

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I work for a medical device manufacturer and you are missing a important reason for that exception. Yes human lives are on the line. In addition WE (meaning my company) are responsible for finding out why it broke and how we will prevent other devices we make from breaking.

We make a device and say it will last 10 years, 2 years later it stops. We have to replace it, We have to investigate to the best of our ability, We have to report our findings to the government, if several cases happen We need to come up with a prevention for the future dailures(or prevention if severe enough). We have entire departments for this. It is our burden not the consumer and it’s our burden so we have enough evidence to determine root cause and final solution so we can prevent further failures.

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14 points

As long as you offer a 10 year replacement warranty that’s perfectly fine. Tandem was great about replacing my daughter’s failed insulin pump.

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16 points

It’s interesting to me that Game Consoles get an exception… Not sure whats up there, other than straight up bribery lobbying.

Lots and LOTS of lobbying.

Let your representative know that that is not ok with you.

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10 points

There’s no excuses for any of these. None.

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That’s rather short sighted. I just listed several.

Don’t know about you: I’d rather not have the ventilator keeping grandma alive repaired by the hospitals underpaid maintenance department; but a trained technician from the company that built it.

Some things are about more than just an individuals personal liberties.

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The hospitals underpaid maintenance team vrs a licensed tech from the manufacturer is a false dichotomy. The choice could easily be the hospital’s underpaid maintenance team or no repairs at all.

Realistically, they don’t put grandma on the vent because they won’t buy or keep a device they can’t afford to repair.

And why would the company spend more time/effort on their repair staff than the hospital? The company license is no guarantee they aren’t minimum wage nobodies.

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8 points

The refrigerant wouldn’t have anything to do with parts pairing though. This is just the electronic components.

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5 points

Parts pairing is just one piece of the puzzle; this is more broadly about access to parts, which would include proprietary refrigerants.

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5 points

Didn’t Apple try and class their iPhones as game consoles a couple months back?

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3 points

HVAC also makes sense because some idiots do things like using propane as a refrigerant in systems not designed for it, and then get a literal flamethrower next to their house.

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3 points

People were able to do that before this law so what’s changed?

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1 point

Honestly I tried to summarize what right ti repair is, but you’ll be better off actually looking into what this bill does.

Basically, for this application nothing changes. That’s kinda the point.

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Aside from maybe HVAC dealing with refrigerant needing a licensed tech to work on, the rest of these not being included is such a scam.

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It’s funny that this article doesn’t mention the one company that pretty much single handedly created the need for this legislation in the first place.

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99 points

John Deere?

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Too bad this doesn’t affect them because they managed to get themselves an exception to the rule…

Anything powered by a combustion engine is an exception.

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19 points

I’m looking forward to Apple’s gas powered iPhone.

38 calls to the gallon!

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26 points

Why not both? 😂

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42 points

Apple

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18 points

HP printers?

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13 points

Future Motion?

You’ll notice that there is actually an insane number of companies that create the need for this.

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90 points

this just in…Apple to stop selling devices in Oregon.

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And HP will stop selling printers.

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30 points

Keep going…I’m almost there…

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15 points

Sorry to ruin the mood for you, but John Deere will continue to sell tractors.

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64 points

From the article, parts pairing is “a practice manufacturers use to prevent replacement components from working unless the company’s software approves them.”

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It’s the practice of preventing you from even using genuine parts. If you buy two identical iPhones, you can’t even use parts from one to repair the other. The one phone won’t accept the genuine part from the other because it’s not paired to that phone by the manufacturer’s proprietary tool.

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3 points

This stops theft significantly.

iPhone were one of the easiest devices to steal and sell. Even conventional anti theft measures wouldn’t deter theft significantly. Because they are so popular and common stealing an iPhone just to sell parts would still be worthwhile. Making stolen iPhone parts worthless reduces incidence of theft significantly.

This is less of an issue for other manufacturers. They often have more models serving a small customer base, with significantly less retail value.

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I don’t actually know the details of how Pairing or Find My iPhone works, but couldn’t they just have the parts individually report their position since they apparently already “know” which device they belong to?

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3 points

I’d rather stop the company from stealing from me in unpreventable ways than the random petty thief who I can beat senseless.

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2 points

Yeah, but I’ve never had a phone stolen, but I’ve broken a whole bunch of them.

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I’d rather have an easily repairable phone than a supposed “deterrent” for which workarounds are eventually found.

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22 points

And since the DMCA makes it illegal to circumvent copy protection, they just put copy protection on the software (sometimes laughably weak - still counts!) and if you try to get around the hardware lockout you’re officially breaking the lawwww

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Hope this applies to cars as well. Bust a taillight in your Ford and get your own replacement, you still have to have a dealer configure the integrated BLISS sensor.

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Section 1, 1, 3, g, C says “This section does not: Apply to: A vehicle…”

So, probably not

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From the article

Some products — like devices powered by combustion engines … — are excluded from Oregon’s rules entirely.

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2 points

Fuck that sensor. It’s a made up need so I’m more dependent on the manufacturer.

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Thanks for the clarification. I was being lazy and didn’t read it and thought that meant apple couldn’t solder the ram to the motherboard aka pairing it.

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