Cory doctorow wrote a short story about this called “radicalized” https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=F00D7584E6296CD7718FC3D359040FD6
Doctorow
It would be an absolute tragedy if someone in his family isn’t a pain management doctor/anesthesiologist.
Doctorow makes me hope for Doctorouchie and DoctorAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, as the medical trifecta of pain levels
Great, telling people to commit a suicide murder. What a fucking hero you are.
Anyone that’s a billionaire or leads a top 500 company are 99% waste of space and don’t deserve to share our air
I think you’re getting downvoted because if you look again, they only said to “consider” it.
Or maybe people are that upset with health insurance CEOs.
Told a friend how I was feeling and had a similar bill. $2500 with insurance. Probably won’t be talking about my feelings again unfortunately
This might sound unsympathetic, but it’s easy to put someone else in a situation where they must call the police / ambulance.
It doesn’t really matter how close a friend is. If you say you’re at risk of harming yourself or others, they don’t have a lot of options.
I work for a mental health crisis line. We are taught, with extremity, to always go for least intrusive intervention possible. We will only ever call Emergency Services after a literal check list to ensure it’s the last resort possible.
Practically the only times we ever call EMS on someone is if they tell us they are actively dying this very second, due to injury or overdose, etc. Or if they, after all of our attempts to listen, empathize, talk about what’s going on, talk about how they’re feeling tonight, work on what options there might be, who in their lives might be able to help, listing resources, and attempting to safety plan; if after all that, they say “yeah, I’m gonna kill myself specifically in this fashion and I’m gonna do it right now, and I have the means available to me.” Then hang up and don’t answer when we call back. Then we call EMS.
It’s drilled into us that EMS is expensive for the person, and potentially dangerous because police are often not great at responding to Mental Health emergencies. So always the last last last resort.
This so much…
Emergency services are like the absolute worst dog shit resource for mental health issues. 99% of the time they just make shit worse, I had to learn this the hard way.
It actually makes me mad that so many people suggest it as what you “should” do if someone is in crisis because it’s just not made for that. Do not call 911 if you are having a panic attack or SI or even self harming in a non SI way, they will do nothing to help you and it will just cost a fuck load. Like you said the only time it makes sense is if you are actually dying from an attempt. Even MH practitioners say to call 911 when they should know better. I am glad your place seems to know what’s up because so many people get the wrong advice on this issue and it actively hurts people. Maybe if the healthcare and police system were different going to the emergency room or calling 911 might be a good idea, but how they are now its just not.
Alright don’t blue ball us, give us the list. I want to know step 1,2,3 on how to handle people like this.
This is a really interesting perspective, and obviously you know a lot more about this than the rest of us.
I think you can probably understand that your own training, experience, expertise, and support gives you a range of other options to implement before calling EMS. The rest of us don’t have most of those options.
There’s not much more I can say just because I’m not in the US. Obviously the options will vary by location.
That sounds like a good protocol but that was not followed in the incident I was referencing
So many people seem to only care about life and not dignity. Locking someone up against their will for being suicidal will always be wrong in my mind. Unless they are threatening harm to someone else, then it might be warranted in order to protect the threatend person.
Locking someone up against their will for being suicidal will always be wrong in my mind.
You’re entitled to that opinion, of course.
Contemporary thinking, including that of the mental health care profession, is that thoughts of suicide are the product of illness, and that treatment options are available. Terminal illness or chronic suffering are an exception. If someone has an illness which causes them to harm themselves, it seems appropriate to intervene when no alternative options are available.
Few people are required reporters and those will be medical workers, public school employees, and people who work for universities for the most part. Calling 911 will get your friend shot by the police in the worst case, and traumatized and in debt in the best case.
Few people are required reporters
So what do you do if a casual acquaintance tells you they’re intending harm to themselves or others ?
I get that. I never said I intended to harm myself or others to them. In my opinion they overreacted and nothing I said could convince the ambulance not to take me.
To be fair, your friends shouldn’t be billing their time to your insurance.
♥️ I care about your well-being Internet stranger. I too have those days and have come close to seeing it through. You aren’t alone.
I called no one and told no one and just let it bottle up. Totally a cheaper option but I wouldn’t recommend that either.
I tried the same technique and then ended up trying to kill myself using all the pills, but that just made me sick and throw up followed by tremors for a few weeks. I was twice a failure.
After a few more failed attempts and visits with bad therapists, I finally found professionals and medication that worked for me and I’ve been suicide-attempt-free for 13 years now! And the past 6 years have seen significantly more good days than bad.
You win this round, modern medicine…
Some online friends called 911 on my son when he was just a few weeks shy of 18 and he was placed on a psych hold for a week for self-harming thoughts.
Don’t get me wrong, I am very grateful they saw signs he’d managed to hide from us, but since the paperwork took a few weeks to process, he not only had to deal with his mental health issues, but also got an 18th birthday present of a $20,000 bill for inpatient services under his name. That definitely didn’t help his mental state at all, and it took years to sort it out.
Later, he told me all he learned from the whole experience was to never tell anyone what he really thinks. As a mom, that scares the shit out of me.
Crisistextline.org has helped me out of some dark places - it’s no substitute for medical care, but it is free and they are always available. Hopefully someone will see this comment who can benefit from this service.
