I mean, that seems like a really sceptical way to live. Often things get shilled because people are just happy with the service and think the business is doing things well. I am a kagi user and have brought it up to some others, including outside of lemmy, because I find it produces better search results than ddg etc. And it’s a definite step up from google in privacy
We’ll try and get that okay up to a good and then a great as time goes by! There’s a submit feedback button on results pages if you’d like to be a part of that.
I spun up a docker container for searxng
Next step is to make it public to help other people and blend your data/traffic
I’m still trying to understand searxng, does it start with nothing and build up its index each time you search? Will your results be rubbish for a while?
It’s basically a proxy for Google and other engines, think of it as a VPN for your searches.
I am suspicious of anything I see being pushed as heavily as Kagi is pushed by it’s alleged users.
We’re just vocal because we’ve been suffering over the enshittification of Google search for so long.
Successful CEOs need to learn to shut the fuck up.
Kagi is one of the least trustworthy companies I’ve seen recently. I know it has fans, but it constantly talks out of both sides of its mouth.
Kagi does not give a solitary damn about privacy as the average person understands it.
Kagi lied in its emails.
“AI is mentioned zero times”
…is clearly incorrect.
There’s quite a lot more to distrust about a company that wants to lock you into a filter bubble.
Turns out Kagi does do advertising
They promote their search engine but their users don’t get to see ads. I don’t know what’s wrong about that. Every company advertises with its products. I don’t see what’s reprehensible about that.
We did not say we maintain anonmity, but privacy, which are two different things. For example. your parents may know everything about you, yet still respect your privacy.
They’re right, anonymity and privacy are two different things. Since you have to pay to use Kagi, you’re not anonymous. But they allegedly don’t know what you as the user search for when using their search engine. So they’re being honest here and how can honesty be bad here? Anyways, we’re on privacy@lemmy.ml, not anonymity@lemmy.ml or whatever.
“AI is mentioned zero times”
While I still give you this one, they’re technically correct. The word “AI” isn’t there but they mention AI features, haha. It’s a bit debatable since Vlad said “kagi.com” - which doesn’t mention AI or AI tools. Only when you go to the pricing page there are mentions of AI tools.
I don’t think we have an argument except maybe on technicality, so I’ll do my best to use your points as a springboard for further clarification/critique of Kagi and not of you.
They promote their search engine but their users don’t get to see ads. I don’t know what’s wrong about that.
What’s wrong is Vlad had just said “That community is 100% responsible for Kagi’s growth as a business through word of mouth (Kagi does no paid advertising)”
And he should be the first person to know that statement isn’t correct.
may know everything about you, yet still respect your privacy.
The problem here is that nobody in this community will recommend a corporation that “may know everything about you but respect your privacy.”
- When recommending a messager service, common consensus always leans towards the one that knows the least about you.
- This is because corporations can change or be forced to give up data, which would render the pinkie-promise of “we won’t” moot
- I’ve seen an argument posted here or on Reddit that Google is technically private because they know about you and won’t sell ads; it’s basically the Kagi line. Basically nobody cares even if it’s true (and it’s turned out to not be true).
Vlad said “kagi.com” - which doesn’t mention AI or AI tools.
Maybe not the homepage, but the site itself is very explicit about AI being the point of their project. And if Kagi will change their statements about everything else on a dime, and have such poor views on privacy, why not also follow their own manifesto?
You can read their pro-AI manifesto on the Kagi.com domain right here.
You can read a critique of this manifesto and how it talks about you “volunteering” your data to search engines, and other creepy stuff, right here.
