For context: This is Neptune, she is goddess.
Will you tell Him that to His face on judgement day?
Irrelevant since this isn’t a thing.
Still don’t get the unhealthy obsession with that fantasy book.
Hmm before or after he unleashes mass murder and torture on earth? This is an important thing for me. I try to tell people I like them before they slaughter humans, not after.
Of course the best part never get mentioned:
Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Jesus turns a woman into a sex slave forced to make rape babies and watch said babies get murdered.
Christianity everyone!
Another day, another Atheist taking the Bible out of context.
Revelation 2:18-29 ESV
“And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write: ‘The words of the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and whose feet are like burnished bronze. “‘I know your works, your love and faith and service and patient endurance, and that your latter works exceed the first. But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols. I gave her time to repent, but she refuses to repent of her sexual immorality. Behold, I will throw her onto a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her I will throw into great tribulation, unless they repent of her works, and I will strike her children dead. And all the churches will know that I am he who searches mind and heart, and I will give to each of you according to your works. But to the rest of you in Thyatira, who do not hold this teaching, who have not learned what some call the deep things of Satan, to you I say, I do not lay on you any other burden. Only hold fast what you have until I come. The one who conquers and who keeps my works until the end, to him I will give authority over the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron, as when earthen pots are broken in pieces, even as I myself have received authority from my Father. And I will give him the morning star. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’
If you actually read it in context and have an ounce of intelligence and honesty, it’s referring to someone who’s seducing men within the Church of Thyatira. But of course, if you read it in context, you won’t be able to make the weird conclusion you were trying to make. This is low, even for an Atheist argument.
Atheist lies to make a stupid point
Atheism, everyone!
There is no context that makes sex slavery and infanticide acceptable. It doesn’t matter what her supposed sins are. This is a new low even for Christian “thought”.
The only judgement day anyone on earth needs to be concerned with is a Will Smith movie. All others are a load of horseshit.
I’d kick him right in the Jimmy for making that worm that burrows into children’s eyes in Africa, destroying their vision
Bud, you’re not doing any good here. Your approach assumes the other person believes that Jesus is real. That’s like arguing for human rights with a Republican – it’s fundamentally against their ideals.
I know we haven’t been formerly introduced but user TimDave seems like a much cooler, and real, person compared to your Jesus myth. As far as I know TimDave has never ordered that his enemies be murdered and cast at his feet.
So why would he be upset about existing?
before or after cockslapping the fuck out of him for turning a blind eye to all his followers diddling kids?
Do you really think He has turned a blind eye to that? Because He has not.
Matthew 7:21-23 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Luke 17:2 It would be better for them to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of these little ones to stumble.
All gods matter equally* (to me, at least).
I always thought it was weird when people think of Jesus as a literal God.
Literally is, at least according to trinitarian doctrine. Handy diagram:
Which of course implies that “isness” is non-transitive which mathematically speaking is bonkers. I mean it’s not that you can’t have intransitive relations but calling them equivalences is going to raise eyebrows.
“Isness” definitely doesn’t need to be transitive.
It can be used to give properties to a subject. An apple is crisp, red, and 100g. Crisp isn’t red, red isn’t 100g, and 100g isn’t crisp.
It can also be used to specify a general case. Honeycrisp is an apple. Golden Delicious is an apple. Fuji is an apple. All three of Honeycrisp, Fuji and Golden Delicious are distinct.
An apple is crisp, red, and 100g. Crisp isn’t red, red isn’t 100g, and 100g isn’t crisp.
True, but then crisp isn’t apple, red isn’t apple, and 100g isn’t apple: All your examples have the property that if x is y, then y isn’t x, which means it’s an asymmetric relation, while in the trinity there’s symmetry: The father is god, god is the father.
Honeycrisp is an apple. Golden Delicious is an apple. Fuji is an apple
We can go further and say that apples are fruit, and that Honeycrisp are fruit. That is transitive.
What you’re describing is a strict partial order, which is not an equivalence, but the whole thing being some sort of equivalence is kinda important if Trinitarians want to be monotheists. Equivalences need to be reflexive, symmetric and transitive, at least if you ask mathematicians.
It is just one uppmanship. He didn’t start out being thought that way but people kept adding. Whole process took over two centuries
Some Gnostics went pretty quickly down the road of “he’s the real god, here to expose the demiurge (Yahweh, formerly known as Ba’al, according to them… But not according to Canaanite religion)”
Supposedly. I think a lot of scholars are in the process of reexamining what the Gnostics actually believed.
The trinity. The father the son and the holy ghost. AKA Dissociative identity disorder
True, it’s just a little too magical for my brain to process. To me he was a prophet and probably a good dude… but that’s probably about it.
To worship a guy as a literal God because his mom had a tale to tell about why she was pregnant, was the beginning of the end of religion making sense for me.
if he existed, he sounds like he was cool.
show me some real historical documents suggesting he did, tho.
To me he was a prophet and probably a good dude… but that’s probably about it.
And you have stumbled upon the big difference between Jews, Christians, and Muslims.
Jews already had a list of criteria for the messiah. Jesus didn’t check all of the boxes, so the Jews went “he’s not our messiah. We’ll keep waiting for the real one to show up.”
Christians believe he is the messiah; Literally God given flesh, so He can experience mortality and die for their sins.
Then the Muslims believe he was a prophet, but not the last prophet. They believe the last prophet was Muhammad. Jesus is featured pretty heavily in the Quran, because they do believe he was a prophet. But Muhammad said there would be no more prophets after himself, so anyone new claiming to be one is lying. (Worth noting that this “no new prophets” thing doesn’t negate Jesus’ second coming. Because Jesus wouldn’t be a new prophet, he would be a returning prophet.)
That’s not the only reason. Jesus claimed to be God, His followers worshipped Him, He performed miracles and ultimately died and rose again and was seen by many. Then ascended into heaven like a month later.
There is no Jesus, only Zuul
