Each of these reads like an extremely horny and angry man yelling their basest desires at Pornhub’s search function.
There is so much wrong with just the title of this article:
- What marketplace? CivitAI is free. Unstable Diffusion Discord is free. Stable Diffusion is free. All of the models and LoRAs are free to download. The only cost is a video card (even a basic one) and some time to figure this shit out.
- “Everyone is for sale”. No, that’s current fucking situation, where human trafficking runs rampant throughout the sex and porn industry. AI porn is conflict-free. You don’t need to force an underaged, kidnapped teenager to perform a sex act in front of a camera to create AI porn.
- “For Sale”. Again, where’s the sale? This shit is free.
A 404 Media investigation shows that recent developments
Get the fuck outta here! This two bit blog want to call itself “a 404 Media investigation”? Maybe don’t tackle subjects you have no knowledge or expertise in.
The Product
Repeat: FOR FREE! No product!
In one user’s feed, I saw eight images of the cartoon character from the children’s’ show Ben 10, Gwen Tennyson, in a revealing maid’s uniform. Then, nine images of her making the “ahegao” face in front of an erect penis. Then more than a dozen images of her in bed, in pajamas, with very large breasts. Earlier the same day, that user generated dozens of innocuous images of various female celebrities in the style of red carpet or fashion magazine photos. Scrolling down further, I can see the user fixate on specific celebrities and fictional characters, Disney princesses, anime characters, and actresses, each rotated through a series of images posing them in lingerie, schoolgirl uniforms, and hardcore pornography.
Have you seen Danbooru? Or F95 Zone? This shit is out there, everywhere. Rule 34 has existed for decades. So has the literal site called “Rule 34”. You remember that whole Tifa porn video that showed up in an Italian court room? Somebody had to animate that. 3D porn artists takes its donations from Patreon. Are you going to go after Patreon, too?
These dumbasses are describing things like they’ve been living in a rock for the past 25 years, watching cable TV with no Internet access, just NOW discovered AI porn as their first vice, and decided to write an article about it to get rid of the undeserved guilt of what they found.
What a shitty, pathetic attempt at creating some sort of moral panic.
Repeat: FOR FREE! No product!
If it’s free, chances are you’re the product. I assume that there is a market for user-generated “prompts” somewhere.
No, that’s not how open-source or open-source philosophies work. They share their work because they were able to download other people’s work, and sometimes people improve upon their own work.
These aren’t corporations. You don’t need to immediately jump to capitalistic conclusions. Just jump on Unstable Diffusion Discord or CivitAI yourself. It’s all free.
These aren’t corporations.
I know, I know: “but the website is free” (for now). However, Civit AI, Inc. is not a loose community. There must be something that pays their bills. I wonder what it is.
Just because something is free it does not mean that there is no marketplace or product. Sozial Media is generally free, but I would still call Facebook, Tiktok or Instagram a product.
Nowadays a lot of industries start out completely free, but move into paid subscription models later.
You pay in giving up your free time which they sell. Technically we’re just working for free and the product is our attention
People buy and sell paintings despite the fact that you could also make paintings pretty easily. You’re paying for the time they spent creating it and the expertise it required. Just because some people scan and upload their paintings for free, doesn’t mean that all paintings are not products. I don’t see why the same couldn’t be true for AI porn.
I mean that’s kind of worse though isn’t it? The point I got from this is that people can make porn of celebs, exes, colleagues, whoever, super easy now. Whether you gotta pay or not is beside the point. Maybe I’m misunderstanding the situation and your point though?
The point I got from this is that people can make porn of celebs, exes, colleagues, whoever, super easy now.
So I can, but I could also do that without AI. People have photoshopped celebrities heads onto porn actors bodies for decades. It doesn’t happen as much now because there’s no point.
Realistically, what is really changed except for the tools?
Simplicity, barriers of entry, skill requirements? Kinda different to just enter a prompt “such and such actress choking on a dildo” than to photoshop it isn’t it? I for one don’t know how to do one but could probably figure out the other.
Again I’m just speculating, I don’t really know.
The danbooru aspect of the “AI” moral panic is what annoys me.
So many of my friends - many of whom are amateur artists - hate computer generated images because the copyright of the artists were violated, and they weren’t even asked. And I agree that does kinda suck - but - how did that happen?
Danbooru.
The art had already been “stolen” and was available online for free. Where was their morality then? For the last decade or whatever that danbooru has been up? Danbooru is who violated the copyright, not stable diffusion or whatever.
At least computer generated imagery is different, like, the stuff it was trained on was exactly their art, while this stuff, while might look like theirs, is unique. (And often with a unique number of fingers.)
And, if “copyright” is their real concern, them surely they understand that copyright only protects against someone making a profit of their work, right? Surely they’ll have looked into it and they already know that “art” made by models that used copyrighted content for training are provided from being copyrighted themselves, right? And that you can only buy/sell content made from models that are in the copyright clear, surely they know all this?
No, of course not. They don’t give a shit about copyright, they just got the ickies from new tech.
no one is moral panicking over ai. people just want control over their creation, whether it’s profit sharing or not being used to train models.
you really can’t see how an imageboard has completely different considerations over image generating models?
or that people are going after ai because there is only like a couple of models that everyone uses vs uncountable image hosts?
both danbooru and stable diffusion could violate copyright, not one or the other.
why would someone want training models to ingest their creation just to spit out free forgeries that they cannot claim the copyright to?
no one is moral panicking over ai.
This is one of the most inaccurate statements I’ve seen in 2023.
Everybody is morally panicking over AI.
stable diffusion could violate copyright, not one or the other.
Or they don’t, because Stable Diffusion is a 4GB file of weights and numbers that have little to do with the content it was trained on. And, you can’t copyright a style.
Yeah. It’s pretty iffy to go “well, these other guys violated copyright so they might as well take it” as if once violated it’s all over and nobody else is liable.
you really can’t see how an imageboard has completely different considerations over image generating models?
Of course I see the difference - direct, outright theft and direct profiting from the theft is much worse then using content that’s been stolen to train computer image generation software.
If your complaint is about the copyright infringement, then danbooru should be the target of your complaint - but no one seems to care about that. Why don’t people care about that?
If the concern is that this software makes it easier to commit crimes, sure, I guess? But, again, danbooru. And like every other site on the internet.
The concern, it seems to me, is with person A being an artist, person B makes art and tries to pass it off as an original work by person A. And that’s valid - but I still don’t feel like it’s worse than actually just taking the artwork and calling it “content” and using it to generate as revenue.
The main problem i have with this criticism is that (imo) there are much more important issues at stake with midjourney or whatever - and this (alleged) concern (alleged because it only seems to go skin-deep) prevents people from caring about the real issues.
Many many many jobs now, when a person leaves, they’re replaced with 2 part time people. This benefits profits and hurts everyone else.
The issue with computer generated images is that, when a movie studio needs a sci fi background, it used to require an artist; now, it just requires midjourney - and you can hire the artist for 4 hours (instead of 4 days) to touch it up, fix the fingers, etc - which not only takes less time, but also less talent, which increases the labor supply, which pushes wages down.
This technology has the potential to take the career of being an artist and turns out into a low-wage, part time thing that you can’t live off of. This has happened in so many parts of our economy and it’s really bad, and we need to protect artists from that fate.
So no, I really can’t muster up giving a shit about whether someone on pixiv copies your art and makes 3$ a month from a patreon. The entire field of visual arts is under threat of complete annihilation from greedy capitalists. They’re the villains here, not some neckbeard’s patreon.
I’m guessing that the “marketplace” and “sale” refers to sites like “Mage Space” which charge money per image generated or offer subscriptions. The article mentions that the model trainers also received a percentage of earnings off of the paid renderings using their models.
Obviously you could run these models on your own, but my guess is that the crux of the article is about monetizing the work, rather than just training your own models and sharing the checkpoints.
The article is somewhat interesting as it covers the topic from an outsider’s perspective more geared towards how monetization infests open sharing, but yeah the headline is kinda clickbait.
“Mage Space” which charge money per image generated
Well, instead of bitching about the AI porn aspect, perhaps they should spend more time talking about how much of a scam it is to charge for AI-generated images.
Compute costs money, it’s more ethical to charge your users than it is to throw shady ads at them which link to malware.
God damn is there a lot of incel vibes in these comments.
Clutch your pearls harder, Puritan. Stay on fb if you fear seeing ankles.
Difference between ankles and women with 40 foot weenies with massive nutsacks attached to it
Honestly, if the combination of AI porn + good AR + haptic fleshlights gets us to a point where horny single men with limited real-world romantic prospects can have fulfilling sex lives without having to bug any actual living women to attain them, I think the world will be a better place.
Except instead they will treat ai girls as filthy as they want and then expect all women to act like that. Then not understand why they don’t… yeah pretty sure that’s what’s going to happen.
Why would being sexually fulfilled make men more shitty to women? Perhaps aloof, but that is different from hateful.
Because they will get frustrated when they realize real women are not exactly like their perfect, idealized AI counterparts, that they have their own individual personalities, and are not beholden to their men like an AI girlfriend would.
Makes sense. I grew up playing videogames where I would shot stuff that was in my way. That is why in real life I use a gun to get thru traffic. I also played a game for a while where I rode on the back of a lizard and ate mushrooms to grow larger. Which is pretty much my typical weekday.
For you see I have not hit the level of mental development of most 3 year olds and can not separate our playtime from the real world. Just like the hypothetical people in your example.
Now if you excuse me I plan to make bricks vanish by arranging them in a straight line wall-to-wall in my house.
No it’s much more like the way porn already messes up a lot of men’s perception of women and sex
Without question. The ability to have sex with something isn’t going to prevent them from being socially dysfunctional and would, if anything, make it noticeably worse. You’re getting off, but you still have issues talking to the other sex. They’re just easier to avoid addressing now and your dolls don’t demand basic respect.
I don’t think I’d come out too much against it, personally. People got biological imperatives, I’m not gonna protest against dildos. But the financial and mental health crises both remain and can’t be circumvented like that.
I’m already having the mental health crisis, would be nice to have the immersive VR porn to go with it tbh. People in this thread are mostly talking about incels but, like, there’s many men with horrible social issues who are self aware. I don’t have a relationship, I think I would be a terrible partner and me being single is for the best. I still am lonely sometimes, but accepting it and moving on helps a lot. It still would be nice to have something like this because I would be able to have some companionship without having to be in someone else’s life.
Before anyone tells me to go to therapy, I had a few sessions and then my therapist went on long term sick leave and I don’t think I have the strength to try again. It hurts less to just accept and live with my problems.
I’d push back on that and say that’s fear mongering. The scenario you’re describing MAY occur IF “they” don’t witness social interactions with IRL girls at all, and that includes video/virtual meetups, video recordings of IRL girls interacting etc.
“They” would have to have never seen a female person in any media other than their AI sexbots, which I find incredibly unlikely that this could become the norm.
The complete opposite is true. That would be a death of dispar filled distopia. Do we not have enough virgins jacking to internet porn all day with crippling depression.
People need relationships not better internet porn
The psychological ramifications of that are immense. It would destroy people. It would be no different than any other drug.
I don’t see how. It is just porn but more specific. You could get the same results before this but with a tiny bit more work. It should have as much impact on humanity as did on-demand streaming did. On the individual level this could maybe put an end to all the not-so-ethically produced porn.
Yeah, but with the caveat that this will only make the world a better place if society chose to implicitly allow this, and actively chose not to disparage, mock, and exclude those people who want to go this path. Which, based on everything we’ve ever seen about society, is not going to happen.
I mean… its not like masturbation isnt already mocked and shamed already around the world, its not like thats ever stoped the more perverted ones that have weird kinks. And even if theres legislations against it (which there hasnt been any serious one afak since the middle ages) the wankers are always gonna win, probably because they have more stamina.
Edit: now im not saying they should be legislated, imho the government has no bussines on ones sex life as long as all parts involved are concenting adults or being solo, just that they always have and probably will be shamed, why? I dont know, but probably religion has something to do there. I wont judge anybody though.
I’m not sure “pervert” is the best word to describe someone who masturbates.
Is it, feels like Gen X and Millenials were fairly sex positive generations that quite happily talked about things like that and porn. Gen Z seem to be scarily sex-negative again, see all their complaints about sex scenes in films as an example.
Uh, based on the realistic fuck robots that are hitting the market I don’t think you have to worry about society telling you that you can’t have VR sex with a giant hentai squid with massive tits. Just maybe don’t do it in your parents living room this time.
True, but people already do 80% of that - I don’t think the stigma attached to “AI-generated porn that talks to you and responds to your requests” is likely to be meaningfully greater than the stigma attached to regular porn, or to an OnlyFans where you’re doing the same thing with an actual woman but clamoring for her attention with a bunch of other guys.
Yea… yea but that’s not what you said. You implicitly said “strapped to AI powered AR with a fleshlight” or some nonsense like that. And then when called out about how that would not work societally - you then default to “there’s no stigma with regular porn”.
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Because what the world needs now is an even more disengaged, disinterested, and misanthropic portion of the population.
These men used to gather on the streets and start breaking shit and kicking grannies back in the day to express their frustration. Them withdrawing to their moms basements smoking weed and jerking off to porn might not be ideal but perhaps not the worst thing either. That’s why we don’t see a significant uptick in crime despite the ever increasing amount of such men.
Meh. If someone wants to opt out they pretty much are going to do it. Besides would you rather deal with them? Imagine if everyone you were around didn’t have a means to entertain themselves at all times. They would be engaged, they would create drama, they would tell other people what they thought of them.
Sometimes in industrial equipment we put in random alarms to be triggered so the people who are supposed to stand there have to do something vs wandering around causing trouble. Especially in union plants.
Yeah let’s just give young men sex robots and make them even more detached from community and relationships
Better wait for the 9001, you don’t want to be a first adopter on this sort of thing.
Some might think so.
I remember a guy on reddit a few years ago arguing vehemently that their hand was better than an actual living woman’s vagina, to say nothing of a Fleshlight.
The denial was strong in that individual’s case, but if enough incels are already in that deep it’s probably gonna be enough for many of them.
Welp we all know you’re eating steak in the Matrix.
AI porn is interesting for its extreme detail in systems that were not quite designed for it, and what has been achieved with extremely small model sizes. Like a typical chat model of what seems like an equivalent quality as far as accurate detail comprehension is two to three times larger. It is hard to objectively compare these two, but this is my intuitive/highly speculative opinion.
That said, in is hilarious how much some model checkpoints can troll someone. Let’s just say, after my casual experiments to explore how LoRAs and other modifications and enhancements work, there would be many PTSD experiences for anyone that tries this. You might just find yourself reorienting your preferences every time you blink.
Also, if the option is available, you run the serious risk of it becoming an alternative lifestyle, especially amongst those that pursue an academic path and must stay free from distraction. If this is experienced at a younger age, it may remain as a permanent choice. It objectifies relationships and that may prove difficult to change.
I think you will find the only barrier to relationships is really the person in question’s state of mind and willingness to put in effort. If a skateboard has aspirations to board a hundred million dollar super yacht, that’s a mental health issue. However, outside of mismanaged birth policies where the sexes are disproportionately represented, I’m a strong believer that there is a skateboard for every skateboard, and at least a dock and dingy for every super yacht.
The human reproductive rate will plummet once we can have VR with sensory input.
Future Sex is a great anthology series about it.
I’m cool with this, we need a lot fewer humans anyway and particularly so in countries rich enough for people to be able to afford VR sex rigs.
Impacting the plebeian workforce in a way that’s felt even harder than today’s inability to afford kids? Yeah, this is gonna be mocked and regulated out of existence for sure.
It’ll look like moral reasoning, but the fewer workers exist, the more bargaining power all of them have against the rich. See the scarcity of laborers during the black plague triggering the end of feudalism.
They’re also creating a lot of images of maid uniforms wearing human faces making ahegao faces while standing on massive erect penis legs.
They post the eight images that wasn’t some body horror fever dream.
There’s a lot of human work that goes into (and has gone into) AI art generation. It’s just very obscured with just the final product.
Remember creepy people use AI. That’s also why a lot of AI stuff is or seems creepy.
They’re also creating a lot of images of maid uniforms wearing human faces making ahegao faces while standing on massive erect penis legs.
Finally there is porn for me
This is not a troll: zoom in on the feet of the yellow dress image. It’s hilariously bad.
Oh no, the realism, it’s just too much! 🤡
For a couple of years after Google Autocomplete rolled out it suggested adding “feet” to the end of any search I’d make on a famous woman’s name. I honestly didn’t get it at first. I’d never searched for feet in any context, so it wasn’t a personalized thing. I chalked it up either to other women wanting to see a pair of shoes she’d worn or to some weird Autocomplete bug. I’m not prudish, but the idea that so many people were into feet that they perved Google never crossed my mind.
Because the hands were reasonably normal. AI always fucks up one or the other.
Click on comments hoping to find conversations on the ethics of AI porn. Instead find a 20+ comment chain scrutinizing the details of the feet and other features on the thumbnail.
I mean technically there are 10 but there’s 6 on 1 foot and 4 on the other.
What’s wrong with having six toes on one foot, four toes on the other foot and your feet on backwards?
You missed the heel she has on the top of the four-toed one, around where her ankle meets. Foot’s reversible.
