Donald Trump doesn’t easily forgive or forget.

As Trump’s Republican allies in the United States Congress block military aid that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy says Kyiv desperately needs to avoid defeat in its war with invading Russian forces, it’s clear the former U.S. president’s ill will toward Ukraine has deep roots.

It was, after all, a phone call with Zelenskyy that led to Trump’s first impeachment in December 2019, after he was accused of seeking to influence the 2020 election by leaning on the Ukrainian leader to investigate current President Joe Biden and his son Hunter.

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So, saying he will end a war in Ukraine means he hates it?
For millions of Ukrainians including my family and friends who failed to escape Ukraine, this is the only chance to remain alive.

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Only in the same way that saying he will end a hostage negotiation means he hates hostages. The context of how he will do it matters. Shooting the hostage does technically end the negotiation, and that’s the equivalent to what he is suggesting. He would just have Ukraine surrender or at least cede territory which would only appease Russia for so long. We know this from history. Without due consequence, this is just rewarding Russia for their bad behavior. But trump is incapable of understanding behavioral consequences because he’s never not been rewarded for being a selfish asshole.

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Shooting the hostage does technically end the negotiation, and that’s the equivalent to what he is suggesting

The only hostage in this situation is Ukrainian population, that is slowly getting butchered. So in your analogy, he is the only one negotiating the release of hostages, while everybody else is busy killing them.

cede territory

Lots if not most of people would prefer to be alive on ceded territory than dead on whatever territory. You are suggesting to kill millions of innocent people without giving them a meaningful choice.

selfish asshole

Do you think millions of people who will get to live due to his actions are going to call him selfish? I wouldn’t. If what you mean instead is that his actions wouldn’t benefit USA in its geopolitical game with Russia by the cost of lives of other people - you can just say that.

There was a highly upvoted post here on lemmy with “saving lives is hot” as the title, what happened to that? Or does it work only when it is about Americans, and Ukrainians can be massacred?

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Ukraine wants to fight for their nation. You think that if they wanted to surrender, they wouldn’t have done so by now? Stop pretending that trump is giving them a choice rather than taking away their choice to defend their nation. Yes, the US and Europe can benefit from helping this proxy conflict, but if a fire were burning up your next door neighbor’s house, would you deny that helping them to put out that fire helps keep your house safe too? Withholding aid is what is getting Ukrainians killed, and trump should know all about that since it’s what got him impeached. The first time, specifically. And now he’s a salty, petulant child who wants Ukraine wiped off the map because of that, plus he will do anything to please Putin, and Putin wants to steal that land back to force a strongman legacy.

Don’t be obtuse. This isn’t complicated. The former president has the temperament of a 6 year old by his own admission. He wants to sucker punch Volodymyr after the 3:30 bell because trump got caught copying off his worksheet. It’s like connect the dots but you only need to draw two very obvious lines.

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It always comes back to his own bullshit ego

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He hates ukraine because zelensky was always interupting when he was enjoying sucking putins cock.

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More specifically: he is furious with Zelensky and Ukraine for not letting him use them as a bargaining chip. Trump cannot fucking fathom how someone he sees as less powerful than himself can defy him on anything.

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Kompromat, that’s all there is to it.

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