It ain’t no fun when the bunny’s got the gun.
Slava Ukraini. Now to deliver more of those F-16s for Ukraine.
The heat wave is causing potentially disastrous issues for US infrastructure, but sure, absolutely, let’s go further into debt for another country’s war. Ukraine should absolutely be the priority when it comes to appropriations.
At least it’ll make the chickenhawks happy.
It absolutely is.
And it’s frustrating watching the extent to which our country is neglected in order to pursue ventures like this over, and over, and over again.
Most of what we’re sending isn’t money, it’s assets. Assets that were constructed to fight China and Russia at the same time if needed. They were literally built and maintained in waiting for a fight with Russia. Sending them to make Russia weaker lowers the stockpile we need to maintain. The number of dollars sent over isn’t real dollars, it’s the value of assets (at the date of construction, not after technology advanced). We were literally spending money to keep them ready in case they were needed, and now they’re needed and we no longer have to spend money on them.
We are spending some new money on aid and things, but most of the military stuff is stuff we already had kicking around, not new spending to build new stuff to send over. Also, sure we’ll have to replace some, but we would anyway as technology advances, and it also won’t be to the same level as Russia is weaker.
Most of what we’re sending isn’t money, it’s assets.
Err… what? Who paid for those ‘assets’? Those ‘assets’ can’t be liquidated for capital?
Lol, 35 upvotes. Man, this next generation sucks. Not a critical thinker among you.
it’s the value of assets (at the date of construction, not after technology advanced).
Arguably much of it should be valued at negative monetary value as with Ukraine taking it the US won’t have to pay to decommission it. Especially ammunition gets expensive (tanks you can just dump in a desert somewhere).
In some ways it’s a great move beyond the human cost, Russian uses up their military personnel, equipment, and resources while NATO and the US commit some of their resources and older equipment to the cause but nothing new and no losses of people beyond the Ukrainians in theory for the most part.
I know many in the US think the Russians are good guys now (Patton is probably doing cartwheels in his grave at the thought, but Nazis are good now too so maybe not) but if there is going to be future conflict, the Russian machine will be spent and tired which will help some.
No losses of people, beyond THOSE people…kinda? Maybe? Theoretically?
Shame.
I’m no fan of Russia
But at the same time I’m no fan of nuclear war either.
The escalation of the war has to stop or else we will all feel the fallout of this war.
Stop financing the war … if everyone is spending billions on a war machine to just fight -> then there will be endless fighting
if you stop the financing and instead spend a few million on peaceful resolution, negotiation and just simply talking, the fighting will stop and there will be resolutions … it won’t be a simple fix, there will be complications, disputes and wins and losses by both sides (everyone can argue the details about it in whatever way they want) … but the end result will be an end to the fighting.
Otherwise, if everyone keeps wanting to spend billions on fighting … the fighting will never end.
So you want Ukraine to just capitulate? Just to satisfy your “peace at any cost” desires? Because Russia sure isn’t going to.
Russia isn’t going to risk the world launching a dozen nukes at them just so they can launch one at Ukraine.
As much as that makes sense and everyone probably agrees … then why are western nations hedging their bets that the other side won’t launch a missile, even as they escalate the fighting.
That is Russian Roulette on a global level if you ask me.
The problem is really alternatives. Give into Russias demands and they will do the same again soon. It will also send a message to China for example and make war more likely in the long run.
What kind of peace agreement would you see possible?
Btw if you’re interested on the topic of the risk of nuclear war related to Ukraine there’s a good video by Lonerbox in which he also explains the logic of the side you’re arguing with here in more detail.
I’m pretty much a dove through and through with one exception: you must be able to fight to defend the sovereignty of your country.
It is Russia that started the tension, then the conflict, and then the war. Appeasing a megalomaniac and hoping it will make them more measured is delusional.
Then as a peace loving person … why support continued fighting?
Fighting Russia only leads to more war and towards what outcome? Completely defeat, embarrass and throw Russia up against a wall they can’t back out of? They would be forced into a corner where they would eventually use a nuclear option. If they are given the choice between defeat or suicide … they might take themselves and millions of people with them.
I’m all in support of Ukrainian sovereignty and fighting for one’s country … but if it means risking the lives of millions of people around the world … what sense does that make?
If we are capable of financing billions towards violent solutions … why not instead finance billions towards a peaceful resolution?
“If we are capable of financing billions towards violent solutions … why not instead finance billions towards a peaceful resolution?”
Do you want us to spend billions on an ad campaign asking Russia to please stop invading a country? Uh I don’t know if you are history deaf or not but Russia will not stop, unless it is stopped.
Something we Americans should really stick to is the “we don’t negotiate with terrorists” line. Russia is a terrorist state, and they have proven time and time again they cannot be reasoned with.
Russia’s goal is genocide. If you train were to give up, there will be millions of people put to death and sent to concentration camps in Siberia to die. So they really don’t have any other option. We have seen time and time again Russia commit crimes against humanity including to this day the continued operation of the gulag system.
Apart from the other points that have been raised: basically every recent report about Ukrainian troops has gotten a bit in it along the lines of “they’re exhausted and have taken heavy losses, but are in good spirits and willing to fight on”.
Especially if you read what individual soldiers are saying, I get the feeling that this war would not end, even if support to Ukraine where to vanish completely (good luck convincing Poland, the Baltics and Nordics). You’d just get Afghanistan, but the invaders are openly genocidal and don’t give a fuck about civilians at the best of times.
Good. Make Russians be afraid and push them to turn on Putin. Something they should have done 20 years ago.
The use of drones in this war is fascinating from afar.
From an American perspective, I keep seeing calls from extremists for a new civil war, and it terrifies me because weaponry like this means shit will go poorly for civilians VERY quickly, even without going nuclear. I imagine that all these kids and young adults who think that playing CoD prepared them for actual war will be in for a big, brief surprise when a drone just deletes them while being operated by some guy in, like, Nevada.
With respect to grenades from drones… you might be right if the Russian tankers didn’t have the turret hatch open practically all the time because of how little air circulation they get.
They’re so uncomfortable in their tanks they’re dying from a weapon they should be nearly immune to.
Eh drone is just cost effective version of CAS. I think most modern jets bomber/fighter could carry out precision strikes without you ever seeing or hearing them.
Or going in loud and proud A10 style also works, that shit is scarier lol
Or get chased around by explosive FPV drones and Ali-express quadcopters dropping grenades.
And that’s before someone with more resources than Ukraine inevitably makes an airplane load of these things that just automatically go for anything vaguely human shaped.
