We’re not. Biden is.
If he actually was worried he’d look at the polls and call for a ceasefire.
I think most people who are disappointed with Biden over Gaza realize that the alternative is Donald Trump and Donald Trump would be way worse for Gaza.
Also, Biden is walking a tightrope. Most Jewish people vote for Democrats. If he loses some pro-Gaza voters, he’ll win some pro-Israel voters. And the other way around. At the end of the day, there are no winners in this conflict.
Also, Biden is walking a tightrope. Most Jewish people vote for Democrats. If he loses some pro-Gaza voters, he’ll win some pro-Israel voters. And the other way around.
You are knowingly or not trying to manufacture consent for a reality that does not exist,
https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspx
Western media and politicians want to keep pretending like the genocide going on that we are complicit in hasn’t resulted in the deaths of at least 30,000 innocent Palestinians, and that death count is old I wouldn’t be surprised if it was ~80,000 at this point with famine conditions being present for this long.
Most of the rest of the world including voters in the US DO NOT agree with Biden directly enabling genocide, it simply isn’t supported by the facts though you can hear it on any US news station Republican leaning or Democrat leaning.
At the end of the day, there are no winners in this conflict.
You are so very tragically wrong, the reason this conflict is still happening is because there are very important winners. Netanyahu knows that the minute the existential threat of Hamas goes away and he stops handing territory to his rightwing settler supporters (Israel’s flavor of MAGA idiots but even worse) he is going to lose legitimacy as a non-democratic leader (seriously this guy isn’t some supporter of democracy people) so maintaining this conflict is LITERALLY existential for Netanyahu. This is common knowledge globally across most political spectrums at this point.
And yeah, the settlers win, the rightwing hateful bigots who are erasing Palestinians from their homes and from this earth at a terrifying rate, win. Russia wins from this conflict drawing attention away and giving no moral grounds to establish effective international pressure to reel them in.
Somewhat maddeningly the US directly loses as we have now permanently lost legitimacy in the eyes of any countries that aren’t direct allies who will automatically tow whatever narrative line they are told to. Israel loses too because they made themselves a pariah state in the world’s eyes. The Palestinians lose, perhaps most of their culture and community, certainly the lives of their loved ones and kids.
There are winners though and it is incredibly disingenuous to pretend there isn’t.
It is also just a completely baseless narrative that Biden has to keep supporting this genocide by providing unlimited weapons and diplomatic cover because it is what US citizens want.
It isn’t and Biden’s refusal to budge on this issue even when his staffers are basically panicking about it destroying his otherwise sound presidential re-election campaign (those that haven’t resigned because of it) could very well cost him the election. If Biden loses it will UNDOUBTEDLY be because he refused to evolve on this issue even when voters from his party literally staged protests and voted undecided to beg him to change his policy on this mass project of cruelty while being extremely careful not to feed energy to Trump or a third party candidate.
Genocide is a redline.
Period.
Those are US made bombs being delivered by US made guidance systems by IDF crews that train regularly with US fighter pilots and Close Air Support military assets.
Don’t come at me with “oh but it is complicated and we can’t do anything about it”. If Biden truly wanted to stop this he could pick up the phone and do it in probably 10 seconds flat (and everybody in his staff knows it).
Israel cannot politically function without US support especially now that Israel has made its self into a pariah state, yet we firehouse incredible amounts of arms to Israel and simultaneously give them free reign to do whatever the hell they want to while flicking us off like the most murderous version possible of a rebellious teen and dysfunctional parent that sort of likes the violence.
Netanyahu ultimately has very little power to dictate the terms of the power relationship given this reality. Biden is utterly complicit.
Yeah, but he could also stop a genocide, or at least slow it down significantly.
It isn’t just votes were talking about. It’s the genocide of a people, and Biden is supplying the guns and money for it.
I think you’re putting a lot more power in the hands of the US president than is due. It’s not his or her decision alone.
“The solution is to mobilize the American people, working-class people, Black, white, Latino, Native American, whatever they may be, to come together, to fight for a government, which represents all of us, and not just the few.”
So the kids who are on college campuses getting shot with rubber bullets and beaten by armed thugs aren’t fighting?
No one said that, you’ve drawn a conclusion not based on the actual words written here.
So then they’re doing exactly what he said we should do, but since the protests undermine Biden’s electoral chances it means they are underestimating the threat of Trump.
If we can’t allow Democrats to ever lose, how exactly do we fight?
By voting in primaries.
There’s more than just the president. Local elections and specifically primaries are what reshape the representative body.
By voting in primaries AND supporting good candidates down stream, but FIRST we must vote to ensure we will be able to do this. If the young people don’t vote and fuck up their future, it’s their future in the toilet.
People don’t seem to realize that every time they downvote an opinion like this, they’re just further alienating the left.
Yeah and downvoting a racist will just alienate them and push them further right, and yet we still downvote.
While occasionally someone might realize that they are in the wrong, the value of condemnation is in signaling to the community that such views are not tolerated.
That argument is also best brought out when it’s obvious that we have a clear choice of what’s best for the country.
2004? Bush vs Kerry. The lesser evil was Kerry.
2008? Obama vs McCain? The lesser evil was Obama.
2012? Obama vs Romney? The lesser evil was Obama.
2016? Trump vs Clinton. There wasn’t any lesser evil.
2020? Trump vs Biden. Biden at the time was lesser evil.
2024? Trump vs Biden again. There isn’t any lesser evil, only difference is who’s gonna do less damage.
Personally, i’m worried that the biden administration is underestimating the electoral importance of his decision to continue supporting Israel’s genocide against Palestinians.
That sound… As if millions of “muh corrupt DNC” trolls cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced…
Serious question for any leftists here who are voting third party - which candidate do you recommend?
Cornell West and Jill Stein are proponents of helping the Palestinians, so I imagine one of them.
All the other, mainstream, candidates are vocally pro-Israel. Trump and RFK are more pro-Israel than Biden.
My ultimate hope is that Biden grows a spine on this topic, and draws some rules of engagement for Israel if they wish to receive further aid; however, they seem to have the US govt by the balls somehow.
Note: I’m voting Biden.
I really think that he can’t grow a spine on this. I really wish he could. For people that old (like trump) it is difficult to grow out of these old habits. It’s like asking your grand parents to stop calling black people boy cause it’s racist.
They don’t want to understand. Growth is hard. The western world gave Israel a pass for so long because “we didn’t really think the Holocaust was that bad till we got there.” Now they can’t see that Israel grew into a fascist state.
That is why I think we need younger people in charge and it frustrates me about our choice. Still obviously vote for Biden.
I disagree. When people could agree on one third party and that party gets 20% of the popular vote, then it is a direct threat to Democrats power basis. Because then for the next election they could replace the Dems. It is crucial to vote a third party, as it forces the Dems to start caring for the people instead of just their Superpac donors.
Doesn’t change any of the entirely valid complaints about the DNC. They’ve been running on “vote for us because the GOP should scare you shitless” for a good long while now.
They don’t have to do any better than not being as horrible/scary as the other guy and they know it. And the GOP usually gives them an awfully low bar.
It’s this shitty attitude of the DNC that allowed the “genocidal maniac vs genocidal maniac” meme to fester. If you don’t figure out how to take the party away from their hands, you’ll keep running into situations where the DNC and its politicians will keep betraying your expectations with truly horrendous shit, rather than trying to represent their actual voters. Unfortunately far too many Americans have too much Stockholm Syndrome to dare move a finger if they don’t have literally Bernie Sanders running on primaries, which he isn’t going to do anymore due to age.
