Steam deck done. https://www.ifixit.com/Device/Steam_Deck
i think ‘user replaceable’ should involve no tools, and a minimum of time. if step one involves removing eight tiny screws, and it only gets more cumbersome from there, i don’t think it counts.
The currebt rule says “No propritary tools” which seems reasonable when you add in that glueing in is considered “non-replacable” too. The GBA SP needed a single screw to hold in it’s battery and nothing else. Plus with proper threading, screws last much longer than plastic clips.
Steam deck done.
Not really. Look up the Linus Tech Tips teardown. The battery is glued in super hard. Linus said he spoke to Valve about that and according to him Valve said they’re looking into making it easier to replace at a later date. Since then I’ve not seen any reports about a change.
Nah. The battery on my old Samsung Galaxy S4 literally just pops out with minor force applied as soon as the cover is off, leaving the phone ready for a new one to be slotted in. That is what “user replaceable” means.
Don’t get me wrong, I am familiar with electronics, have a diploma in electrical engineering, have soldered hundreds/thousands of components, etc. and I could do this easily (though I have concerns about heating the battery). But most people cannot currently replace the battery without significant headaches.
Isn’t the main issue whether or not there’s an ease to replace? There’s like 20 steps and a bunch of easily breakable cables involved with replacing it currently.
I mean I think you can replace the Switch’s battery too by that standard.
Same site even says it’s only 1 extra step in total, though instead of the cables being in the way, it sounds like the shields a bit more difficult.
But like either of these replacements would require a technical user to do it.
‘ease to replace’ to whom?
seems like an impossible to define standard, but I’d be interested to hear what the requirements are
if they supply the necessary tools and steps/videos, is that enough?
Given SLaSZT already gave an answer in
https://kbin.social/m/games@sh.itjust.works/t/202790/Gaming-handhelds-like-the-Switch-and-Steam-Deck-will-need#entry-comment-836808
Which isn’t far from this post
I don’t think you asked this in good faith.
A battery that can be popped out and replaced, with no tools and no risk of damaging any of the other hardware on the board.
Just supplying the tools and steps is absolutely not enough. We’re talking about replacing a part on a $300+ machine. Most people would be scared to do that purely on the merits they couldn’t afford to replace if something went wrong.
Your right. It’s not the best but till allows you to replace it. Unlike iPhone and Android since they are much harder to replace.
Some Android phones are decent, like the Fairphone. But most are a giant pain.
And requires heating + prying.
If this is considered replaceable, I wonder what an non-replaceable battery would be. Soldered to the main board and trying to unsolder it causes a failsafe to short the CPU?
I wish the EU would just stop getting their grubby hands ibto everything they possibly can
Gotta love the reddit-tier “downvote anyone who disagrees” mindset here. It’s like I never even left reddit!
I wish the EU would just stop getting their grubby hands ibto everything they possibly can
its for the environment… EU has set carbon emission goals etc by 2030, and 2050 ?
batteries are terrible for the environment…
but one thing that is worse is… throwing away a used phone because the battery is terrible, because replacing the battery is gonna cost the same as a new phone.
my last 3 phones, for example, where all replaced because the battery was shit. unable to replace it without paying the same as a new phone…
making products having a replacable battery (available to purchase as well) will cause fewer products to be produced, meaning fewer emissions.
also the old batteries have to be recycled 100%.
OK and? The EU can still go fuck itself. Having a shitty plan doesn’t make every shitty step somehow not shit.
This guy’s whole comment history section is about arguing and being a contrarian. I’ve tagged him as such.
Just because something it better for you, it doesn’t mean it’s better for everyone
It only has to be better for most people for this to be a net gain. Nintendo won’t otherwise provide us with a choice of whether or not the battery is replaceable.
I’m against regulations that get between parties and enforce terms onto voluntary agreement. Why is it the position of government to tell me what products I should and shouldn’t want to buy? If you want shit with removable batteries, cool, go out and make your demands heard. But why should your demands be pushed onto everyone else as “pro-consumer” when it ignores the demands of literally any consumers who have different preferences than you? What about the consumer that doesn’t give a fuck about usb-c or removable batteries? Why should they be made to buy products designed around standards that aren’t important to them?
Products with non-removable batteries are bad for the environment in a number of ways. They hurt even the ones not interested in the product.
Good god you’ve missed the point haven’t you?
If you want shit with removable batteries, cool, go out and make your demands heard. But why should your demands be pushed onto everyone else
Because companies are not providing products with removable batteries so the consumers refusing to buy products with non-removable batteries doesn’t work because there’s no alternative product to purchase. Manufacturers know they have consumers in monopoly so they have no reason to change.
What about the consumer that doesn’t give a fuck about usb-c or removable batteries?
The USB c-thing is not just about user friendliness it’s also about the environment. Constantly having to throw old charges away because their incompatible with new products produces an enormous amount of e-waste, everyone using the same charger reduces it, which is only a good thing. Also the Apple charger which is what I’m assuming you’re going on about is actually less safe than the usb-c standard. I think we can all agree that manufacturers should use safer options when they become available.
Why should they be made to buy products designed around standards that aren’t important to them?
If a product has a feature you don’t care about, why do you care, just don’t use it and you’re fine.
If you want shit with removable batteries, cool, go out and make your demands heard.
They have. That’s why the regulators are making these laws.
But why should your demands be pushed onto everyone else as “pro-consumer”
It’s pro consumer because it benefits consumers. As of right now, most portable electronics have a built in expiration date. Most people lack the skills to replace a built-in battery and official stores rarely do replacements, so it’s down to a 3rd party shop which is difficult for less knowledgeable consumer to find.
It’s the same reason why we have any regulations against anti-consumer practices. It’s because these practices often rely on deceptive practices and consumers ignorance. In this case, the consumers are not informed that the device they are buying is built to expire after a few years.
I don’t see any argument you could make about usb-c or removable batteries hindering your usage of the device.
Most countries mandate that products come with a warranty. I haven’t heard anyone saying “what if I want to buy a product without a warranty?” Because why would you?
3.5mm jack! Sd cards! IR transmitter!
It’s a good thing Valve makes the official parts and tutorials available on ifixit for the deck
This is a very good thing. Thank you EU for forcing us dirty heathens in NA to have consumer protections.
I hate the term consumer the only I consume is food . How about buyer or customer just anything but consumer
You consume and discard many things throughout your life. The fact that you consume so much should make you uncomfortable. I agree with using customer instead of consumer, but only because I want to get away from the idea that your only purpose in life is to consume things. I hate that being a “consumer” is normalized. Consumptive culture is both terrible for the environment and for the health of society.
It is terrible for the environment but it’s the only way to make it work the system we crested: if you don’t consume other people whose jobs consist in providing you with stuff or services don’t get paid, next cycle they won’t have the money to request whatever you sell or do, the system enters a downward spiral for lack of demand. Our system only works like that. There is no escape.
