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This is a very good thing. Thank you EU for forcing us dirty heathens in NA to have consumer protections.

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Once again, the EU drags the rest of us into modernity kicking and screaming.

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Alexander Anderson would like a word, heathen

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I hate the term consumer the only I consume is food . How about buyer or customer just anything but consumer

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Consuming does not mean eating. Either you produce, sell or consume a product.

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Tough. It is appropriate description for what you are doing. Every tangible thing you buy at some point gets discarded one way or another. You’ve consumed the energy and materials needed to make whatever it is.

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You consume and discard many things throughout your life. The fact that you consume so much should make you uncomfortable. I agree with using customer instead of consumer, but only because I want to get away from the idea that your only purpose in life is to consume things. I hate that being a “consumer” is normalized. Consumptive culture is both terrible for the environment and for the health of society.

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It is terrible for the environment but it’s the only way to make it work the system we crested: if you don’t consume other people whose jobs consist in providing you with stuff or services don’t get paid, next cycle they won’t have the money to request whatever you sell or do, the system enters a downward spiral for lack of demand. Our system only works like that. There is no escape.

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Isn’t the main issue whether or not there’s an ease to replace? There’s like 20 steps and a bunch of easily breakable cables involved with replacing it currently.

I mean I think you can replace the Switch’s battery too by that standard.

Same site even says it’s only 1 extra step in total, though instead of the cables being in the way, it sounds like the shields a bit more difficult.

But like either of these replacements would require a technical user to do it.

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6 points

it should be done by 2027 at the latest it sounds like.

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‘ease to replace’ to whom?

seems like an impossible to define standard, but I’d be interested to hear what the requirements are

if they supply the necessary tools and steps/videos, is that enough?

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Given SLaSZT already gave an answer in

https://kbin.social/m/games@sh.itjust.works/t/202790/Gaming-handhelds-like-the-Switch-and-Steam-Deck-will-need#entry-comment-836808

Which isn’t far from this post

I don’t think you asked this in good faith.

A battery that can be popped out and replaced, with no tools and no risk of damaging any of the other hardware on the board.

Just supplying the tools and steps is absolutely not enough. We’re talking about replacing a part on a $300+ machine. Most people would be scared to do that purely on the merits they couldn’t afford to replace if something went wrong.

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Says 2-4 hours and “difficult” on the battery replacement page

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And requires heating + prying.

If this is considered replaceable, I wonder what an non-replaceable battery would be. Soldered to the main board and trying to unsolder it causes a failsafe to short the CPU?

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its an easy fix. replace the adhesive with stretch release battery adhesive.

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Nah. The battery on my old Samsung Galaxy S4 literally just pops out with minor force applied as soon as the cover is off, leaving the phone ready for a new one to be slotted in. That is what “user replaceable” means.

Don’t get me wrong, I am familiar with electronics, have a diploma in electrical engineering, have soldered hundreds/thousands of components, etc. and I could do this easily (though I have concerns about heating the battery). But most people cannot currently replace the battery without significant headaches.

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Steam deck done.

Not really. Look up the Linus Tech Tips teardown. The battery is glued in super hard. Linus said he spoke to Valve about that and according to him Valve said they’re looking into making it easier to replace at a later date. Since then I’ve not seen any reports about a change.

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12 points

Heat gun on the battery, that sounds fun

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Your right. It’s not the best but till allows you to replace it. Unlike iPhone and Android since they are much harder to replace.

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6 points

Some Android phones are decent, like the Fairphone. But most are a giant pain.

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i think ‘user replaceable’ should involve no tools, and a minimum of time. if step one involves removing eight tiny screws, and it only gets more cumbersome from there, i don’t think it counts.

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The currebt rule says “No propritary tools” which seems reasonable when you add in that glueing in is considered “non-replacable” too. The GBA SP needed a single screw to hold in it’s battery and nothing else. Plus with proper threading, screws last much longer than plastic clips.

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There’s something to be said for this as well certainly but I do think the deck is still much better overall than will be required since they actually offer spare parts for sale for pretty much everything and repair guides too.

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The steam deck battery is glued on? Fucking seriously? Jesus

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43 points

I think there should be a requirement for easily expandable storage as well.

Switch and Steam Deck seem to be OK for this, but I’d like to further piss on Apple’s chips.

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I think it should be fully replaceable storage, not just expandable because a lot of companies throw out completely fine devices to get rid of sensitive information on the soldered drives

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Yeah, in place of the EU I would fuck apple up for their decision on soldered ssd. It’s not only stupid, but just inhuman towards nature.

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4 points

And Samsung

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Excellent, I like that I can replace batteries easily from my old handhelds, the only issue for that case is finding trusted ones.

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New switch confirmed before 2027!

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According to Phil Spencer, it could be as soon as next year… So 2024

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