Rudy shouldn’t be going through this, Rudy didn’t do anything…but I look at some of the other people, now, I didn’t know a lot of those people. I don’t know that I even met a lot of those people, but some I do. And their lives are destroyed by these maniacs. These are animals, these are vicious animals that have destroyed the lives of these people….and they don’t have a lot of money. And some of them did almost nothing; they don’t even know what they’re being charged for.

Every time. Every single time.

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To my dying day I will never understand how anyone can tolerate this pathological liar.

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There are three factors that work for him.

  • Since he has no integrity or backbone whatsoever, he says what people want to hear. Even if he does fuck all.
  • Conservatives have a lot of hatred for the changing society - he gives them an enemy to “fight” against. Even if it’s jewish space lasers.
  • Some people think that things happen in a vacuum. They vote for one part of the conservative agenda that they agree with and ignore the threat he represents as a whole.
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The third cannot be over stated

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They’re too embarrassed by this point to admit they made a mistake (and they see what happens to people like Chris Christie) so they stay with the cult.

It’s also a Reverse Cargo Cult:

In a regular cargo cult, you have people who see an airstrip, and the cargo drops, so they build one out of straw, hoping for the same outcome. They don’t know the difference between a straw airstrip and a real one, they just want the cargo.

In a reverse cargo cult, you have people who see an airstrip, and the cargo drops, so they build one out of straw. But there’s a twist:

When they build the straw airstrip, it isn’t because they are hoping for the same outcome. They know the difference, and know that because their airstrip is made of straw, it certainly won’t yield any cargo, but it serves another purpose. They don’t lie to the rubes and tell them that an airstrip made of straw will bring them cargo. That’s an easy lie to dismantle. Instead, what they do is make it clear that the airstrip is made of straw, and doesn’t work, but then tell you that the other guy’s airstrip doesn’t work either. They tell you that no airstrips yield cargo. The whole idea of cargo is a lie, and those fools, with their fancy airstrip made out of wood, concrete, and metal is just as wasteful and silly as one made of straw.

1980s Soviets knew that their government was lying to them about the strength and power of their society, the Communist Party couldn’t hide all of the dysfunctions people saw on a daily basis. This didn’t stop the Soviet leadership from lying. Instead, they just accused the West of being equally deceptive. “Sure, things might be bad here, but they are just as bad in America, and in America people are actually foolish enough to believe in the lie! Not like you, clever people. You get it. You know it is a lie.”

Trump’s supporters don’t care about being lied to. You can point out the lies until you’re blue in the face, but it makes no difference to them. Why? Because it is just a game to them. The media lies, bloggers lie, politicians lie, it’s just all a bunch of lies. Facts don’t matter because those are lies also. Those trolls on Twitter, 4Chan, T_D, etc. are just having a good laugh. They are congratulating each other for being so smart. We are fools for still believing in anything. There is no cargo, and probably never was.

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I feel like the thing that’s missing about a reverse cargo cult is that a sincere attempt to sell the lie comes first. Once that fails, as it inevitably will (you can only be so insistent in telling people that they’re not actually hungry and cold before they call you out on it), that’s when the lie about how smart they are to spot the lie and the external comparisons begin.

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A lot of people think that scams are always about a conman trying to convince them that they’re legit. Some scams are, but many take the form of the conman signalling that he actually is running a scam, he’s scamming someone you don’t like, and he’s going to let you in on the scam if you help him.

The beauty of this kind of scam is the mark isn’t going to check on the conman’s credentials, because the whole point is that he’s a shady guy that’s running a scam, and the mark thinks they’re going to get a share in the loot.

The famous Nigerian Prince scam is like this. It’s obvious that the transaction isn’t legit, the “Prince” would just use legal means to get the gold out of the country if it were. No need for an internet stranger for a legitimate transfer of gold. It’s obvious that the Prince is doing something shady, but he’s going to cut you in on the profits of the shady activity if you help him.

Many people on the right feel like Trump is scamming the libs, scamming the federal government, scamming news media. But not scamming them, because they’re in on the scam! Pitiful rubes…

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Exactly. The real scam is making the marks think they’re in on the con.

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Your summation was solid, but the straw airstrip quote might be the worst, watery-yet-needlessly-convoluted analogy I have ever heard.

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That you’ve ever heard??? I found it somewhat useful.

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The Republican Party doesn’t claim to not make mistakes, they do claim that admitting a mistake would in and of itself, be a mistake.

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To be embarrassed, they’d have to have a sense of shame or pride.

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Not a liar, a bullshitter.

Lying requires some respect for the truth. It implies you are trying to deceive by denying or obscuring the actual facts of the matter, but lying still involves trying to convince someone that your alternative story is true.

Trump and Co. are just straight up bullshitters. Reality is completely irrelevant, and they just make up whatever sounds good on the fly with zero regard for whether it’s even consistent with what they said 10 minutes ago.

The maddening part with bullshitters is you can’t even debate or reason with them because the truth literally doesn’t matter to them or their audience.

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Reality is completely irrelevant

remember Dick Cheney sneering at the “reality-based community” as the lies he used to justify the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan started coming to light? This contempt for what’s real is embedded in Republican DNA.

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He says the terrible shit they are thinking out loud and belittles anyone who disagrees. They are living vicariously through him.

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It’s called a cult.

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Cults can be good or bad.

This is fascism.

We need to stop pretending it’s not.

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“He’s not lying to me, he’s lying to them (the media, libs, etc.)”

Like, imagine you gave up on anything ever getting better and just wanted to fling shit at the people you blame for your misery. There is no bigger piece of shit to fling than Donald Trump.

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There is no bigger piece of shit to fling than Donald Trump.

Brand new (very accurate) sentence.

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Is there a theory on how he’s the true lizard man come to sow dissent? Can we start one? He doesn’t even know our terms and idioms, dead giveaway.

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That’s what I heard. That’s what people are saying.

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The best people are saying it.

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Explains so much when you look at it

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Or understand his incoherent rants.

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The whole of the GQP made it their playbook

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these are vicious animals

Ah yes, the subtle but ever present dehumanization of opponents and implicit calls to violence (you don’t deal with a “vicious animal” by just handing it some paperwork, right?), that’s what makes this guy one of the biggest pieces of shit of all time, he is just always working at it and always finding ways to be a disrespectful piece of trash every time he opens his mouth

Can not wait to see him get a fraction of what he deserves

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“Lock her up.”

“Viscous animals.”

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Animals that resist shearing = viscous animals

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This is such a good double entendre.

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Lol nerd. Good one though

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Wasn’t considering if his bail to not do exactly this?

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It doesn’t make him a piece of shit; it makes him a stochastic terrorist. More than he already was, I mean.

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So with this guy, it’s always whatever the opposite of the truth is, down to the smallest detail. Not only does he know exactly what a fuckin’ mugshot is, he practiced this mugshot, he obsessed about this mugshot - so naturally he has to throw in a detail while being interviewed about it - he never even heard of a mugshot before. His carefully practiced blue steel death stare was just off the cuff, because that’s the kind of tough guy he is don’t you know - not the bone-spur draft-dodging cowardly piece of shit kind.

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“Plausible deniability ? I swear I’ve never heard of it!” is a great line from The Beths

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Yep, he is transparent as fuck. He does let the truth out sometime when he brags. I mean, it is mostly lie still, but sometime he let out some true facts to “embellish” the bragging. You can tell when it is the truth because it is the only part of the brag that is absolutely disgusting and revolting. You know, like when he tells you his daughter is so perfect he would have sex with her and stuff like that.

It is like the opposite of what normal people do, which would be embellishing the truth with white lies to make it sounds better.

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And yet it’s still a dreadful mugshot.

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I never heard “mug shot” before.

Truly a hero to the working class.

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and he never heard of what is an indictment and of most of the codefendant. It is just the most pathetic toddler-level lie. Did you eat the cake? Oh you don’t know what is a cake? You’ve never even seen one?

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Wharton

Truly a hero to the working class lol

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I’m 6 feet and 220, not in very good shape, but Trump is much…blobbier? Than me. No definition at all, it’s like someone filled a garbage bag with cottage cheese. I at least have arms and legs 😬

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That’s because he refuses to exercise, like, at all. He thinks humans have a finite amount of energy to use in their lives and exercise is just “needlessly draining the battery”.

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It is because he is filled with a lot of hot air.

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Well, it’s not air. Let’s just say, when his coroner goes and flushes him out to size him for a casket? That hobgoblin will have miraculously lost about five feet of height.

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If you gave him an enema he could be buried in a matchbox.

That’s what Christopher Hitchens said about Jerry Falwell when he died. It applies equally to trump.

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