cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/15988326
Windows 10 will reach end of support on October 14, 2025. The current version, 22H2, will be the final version of Windows 10, and all editions will remain in support with monthly security update releases through that date. Existing LTSC releases will continue to receive updates beyond that date based on their specific lifecycles.
Source: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-home-and-pro
Controversial Take:
Windows 11 is actually decent
The funny thing is I use Mac Linux and Windows daily. Windows 11 on my surface. This is my business computer. Mac for the employer I work for. Linux for my personal desktop. 11 crashes all the time. Start menu and task bar glitches. Random UI elements not loading properly. I frequently need to restart explorer.exe. I get thunderbolt dock issues and glitches. This does not occur on the MacBook. Or my old windows 10 work laptop.
I actually like 10 now. 11 is hot trash. I’ll take 12 over it so far from what we know of it.
The major problems isn’t Windows 11 usability, although those issues due exist. UI and workflow issues can typically get addressed, or mitigated, by 3rd party tools.
The real concerns are the exponential increases in spyware, such as the AI recovery tool that records all user interactions, or the native advertising inside of the system itself e.g. Start Menu ads.
If native AI data collection and advertising is baked into all nooks and crannies of the system, the ability of users to mitigate those threats becomes extraordinarily difficult, if not impossible to completely resolve.
You can turn off Recall with a simple toggle in the settings.
There’s no need to switch operating systems, just turn it off.
Even if you trust that one feature will actually be disabled, that was just one example.
Do you really believe you can disable and remove all of the numerous data collection and spyware components that are baked into all aspects of the OS?
I’m not saying no one should use Windows 11, but they should be honest with themselves about the trade-off they’re accepting.
Yes. Just like you can turn off a bunch of the windows 10 crap with registry keys and tools. Why. Why does a user need to go to such lengths to make their OS they paid for not soy on them and deliver them ads?
“Oh it’s not that bad!” You’ll say. Ya. Windows 10 wasn’t THAT bad for it. Then came 11. Then 12 will come. Inch by inch it will turn to shit more and more, and that is the point.
My PC that I’ve just built last summer is not able to upgrade to W11 despite still having the best AMD components available. How is this going to work out?
Edit: I figured it out. I needed to reset my CPU settings in BIOS. Now my system reaches the requirements.
Unless you built with like, really old parts, I’m not sure how this would be a problem?
You probably have some stuff like fTPM disabled in the UEFI. If you have AMD Zen or newer, it should work as long as you enable the settings.
Also, update your firmware. Any newer AMD firmware should enable fTPM automatically precisely to enable Windows 11 support.
AMD was really forward looking when they added this shit in 2016 eh
Oh fucking great. My daughter’s online school requires her to run “Windows 8 or greater,” but we got her a used laptop that can run 10 to make sure it can keep up with security updates. I don’t even know if it is powerful enough to run 11 because I didn’t even consider the possibility when I bought it. Now we’re going to have to buy a new one in a couple of years?
Fuck you Pierson and Microsoft.
Do they actually require it or do they “require” it.
A lot of things that are browser based “require” Windows or Mac but don’t actually require it.
I don’t particularly care to risk my daughter’s education by trying to figure that out.
You can use massgrave to activate it, microsoft support has been caught using it to activate windows on customers computers.
Most laptops that ship with windows 10 are capable of running 11. I recommend finding out if the schools provides a license. When I was attending Phoenix online a couple years ago they supplied me with a windows 10 education license through Microsoft.
Excited to see the increase in Linux desktop usage.
I have an elderly friend that I will probably need to migrate as 1 of their 2 computers doesn’t support win11. I am fully able to migrate them, but I really want it themed(Plasma6 probably ) to look as much like 10 as they a dealing with cognitive decline and I don’t want to force them to relearn using their computer.
I need to start investigating, but I got over a year to do so. The other part is making sure the 2 pieces of proprietary software they use runs in wine. I expect both will, but need to check.
This is obviously something that developers probably don’t think about as much as an accessibility issue in general.
I was thinking about this the other day. I support some very, very technologically limited users and I wondered if anyone out there is working on a distro/DE that looks and feels just enough like windows to get them by
I would never have considered this before they announced Recall. Now it feels like I’m waiting to see just how hard they push it
I’d temper those expectations tbh. I’ve still got customers on Windows XP.
Out of support does not mean “can’t be used”.
I agree. But using Windows XP these days is a huge security risk. W10 not getting security updates at least for the next 2 years is probably something that can be overlooked, but it will at some point be vulnerable to automatic attacks like XP. I’m sure there are some websites on the web that try to automatically exploit some major exploits that have been lrft unfixed in Windows XP. I’d advise them to switch to Linux Mint or something instead of using that old vulnerable system.
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The browser is the failure point and they get updated for a long time after the OS falls out of support. Chrome was supported for 8 years after Windows 7 stopped being officially supported.
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All their Windows software they need to run their business isn’t going to run reliably enough on any version of Linux. They don’t want to touch anything that’s working or pay for anything. You have to understand the world is not filled with OS enthusiasts. It’s just a platform to run other things. If it’s working and it’s making you money, you do not touch it, unless you really want to find out what OS they use at the Job Centre.
This one is particularly harsh since win11 has ridiculous artificial hard stops on installation based on made up hardware requirements. Also it sucks.
This also makes it easy to block Win 10 from upgrading to 11, just disable tpm in BIOS. From where I’m sitting, that’s kinda convenient.
That’s where you grab a W10 Enterprise LTSC iso which has support until 2032.
Already got a surface running it.
I have a PC I built that was absolutely top of the line 9½ years ago, that still plays most games in high to max settings. It’s a little powerhouse for its age, I often use it for rendering video and it still smokes everybody I know 's devices.
Windows 11 is too powerful for my PC according to Microsoft and I’ve been so pleased about that. If it wasn’t for the fact that I have no issues with my current windows 10 setup, I’d put in some time to jump to Linux. I’m just too lazy to give it the weekend it would take to learn, set up and move my content over properly.
Well to my knowledge there are (or at least were) workarounds to get win 11 to install anyway. It of course worked fine, despite saying it needed a TPM and/or specific minimum CPU.
From an eWaste perspective Microsofts decision to force literally millions of PCs into fake obsolescence is obviously horrible. And I honestly have no idea what their motivation even was for this.
As for trying Linux, these days it really isn’t even a weekend. Sure if you want to tinker and learn, you can invest a weekend. But if you want to just use the PC just pick any of the commonly recommended distros and just go. It’s installed in minutes and you can honestly just use the PC for whatever you used to use it before. Just backup/move your data off it and you got nothing to lose but like an hour, if it really doesn’t work as you need it to.
I’ve the newest AMD hardware available and I’m not able to upgrade. No idea what they want.
Hopefully you bought your fully assembled pc with an official Microsoft sticker already on the case right?
