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“No end to Gaza war until ’destruction’ of Hamas”

Proceeds to bomb children’s hospital instead of Hamas

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No, no, you don’t understand. The children were Hamas

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Bombing everyone in Gaza is a great way to turn many of them into hamas. How are those kids going to grow up sane and normal and make peace with Israel? Imagine a whole society with PTSD, it’s horrifying. Israel knows this too, which is they want to protect themselves through genocide. They really do think those kids are hamas.

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Once they’ve turned everyone to Hamas they can justify their genocide that way. Or they can just keep genociding anyway and claim it’s because they heard Hamas was in the hospitals, the schools, the universities, the people’s homes, the shops, the refugee camps, the streets, etc.

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3 points

The average age in Gaza is under 19 so in all likelihood Hamas must be a lot of minors

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“No end to Gaza war until ’destruction’ of Hamas”

But don’t worry though, it’s definitely not a genocide.

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No, you see the pediatric doctors were seen talking to Hamas heath ministry officials so they’re terrorists too! And it’s really their fault because when they talked to the kids that made them Hamas as well. Sadly killing everyone is the only option left.

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Which essentially makes it a forever war. Israel’s defenders keep saying this too- the war will end when Hamas is destroyed.

Every child killed creates a potential new Hamas member. Netanyahu knows this.

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He’s taking a page from the Torah. One of the ways to completely eliminate your enemy was to wipe their entire culture off the face of the earth so not even one child is left to grow up to be a potential threat.

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This is true. Israel benefits immensely each time there is a conflict -whether it’s settlements or the upper hand in negotiations. The Palestinians are hurt the most and in a tough spot between Hamas and Israel. I’m not sure that either side will offer any concessions after Oct 7 but it would be in everyone’s interest if Israel did offer concessions at this point because the cost of waging war indefinitely I don’t think bodes well for them.

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The ceasefire will force Netanyahu to form agreements within international law. Biden has already restored the sanctions, that Trump had previously repealed, on Israeli settlements on Palestinian land. Expansion is off the table. The only claim Israel can make is for return of hostages and request an end to attacks. If they fail to negotiate, or breach agreements afterward, Biden will have a documented platform for amendment of existing munitions supply.

Had the State Department not suppressed the intelligence that would have led to conclusive findings of war crimes, he could have already justified amendment of support against the direction of Congress.

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Are you saying Biden simply isn’t aware of the genocide, or that he’s completely powerless to have stopped the military aid?

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I’m saying the inconclusive State Department report has his hands tied. Congress has already voted in favor of military aid. If Biden acts against the advisement of both branches, he’ll be exposed to an impeachment hearing for acting in bad faith. He needs the State Department to provide an accurate and conclusive report, or be at the table for negotiations for first-hand accountability, to justify amendment of existing support agreements without repercussion.

You don’t have to like it, but this is how the government is structured.

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What are you talking about, the Israeli government just announced a record breaking set of new settlement expansion lands. What sanctions did Biden restore or did Trump even add? Biden sanctioned less than 10 individual settlers and then repealed those sanctions under pressure.

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Trump repealed 50-year-old sanctions preventing Israel from developing on Palestinian territory in 2019. Netanyahu was so grateful, he named a new settlement after Trump in Golan Heights.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-48656431

After Israel attempted to contract development on the West Bank, Biden restored the sanctions in the beginning of this year.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/biden-administration-restores-u-s-policy-calling-israeli-settlements-illegitimate-under-international-law

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We are reading the same story every week now.

Hamas accepts a permanent ceasefire and Israel refuses. They should change up the script a bit.

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You forgot where Biden tries to say him and Israel have a path to peace but it’s Hamas who won’t work with them…

And within 24 hrs Bibi clarifying he only wants a “final solution” where none of his “enemies” are left alive, so no one should listen to Biden.

I’m pretty sure we’re on double digit laps by now.

I just don’t understand why Biden at this point is still saying shit, knowing Israel is going to immediately say the quiet part out loud again.

It’s not.just that Biden won’t stop funding this genocide, apparently him and his admin are the dumbest people ever. Even if they know what they’re saying is bullshit, they always forget Israel will just say shit like this that blows up trying to blame it on anyone else.

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Don’t forget the israel shills talking about releasing the hostages to “end all this”

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To be clear, this is on the right wing Netanyahu government, not all of Israel. There is protests in Israel about this right now : https://news.sky.com/story/huge-protests-call-on-israeli-pm-benjamin-netanyahu-to-approve-us-ceasefire-deal-and-release-hostages-13146730

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Wasn’t there already a permanent ceasefire that Hamas broke?

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Israel broke it actually. They bombed Gaza. Israel loves to do shit and then claim it doesn’t break the cease fire for some reason.

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Was there even a ceasefire to begin with?

Hamas has been shooting rockets at Israel for years, and Israel has been bombing Hamas as well.

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My understanding is that there has not been a ceasefire for a very long time. But I might be wrong if so please correct me.

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Do take note that Biden’s proposal from yesterday was supposedly drafted at Netanyahu’s cabinet, according to the US government itself. Netanyahu now opposes their own initiative because he’s decided it’s not convenient for him to end the war just yet. This isn’t some sort of principled attempt to paint himself as the protector of Israel, but a pathetic excuse of a man willing to sacrifice more lives for his own self interest.

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This is Netanyahu playing Biden like a fiddle.

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Yeah but they’re arab lives, so they don’t count them.

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Biden’s proposal from yesterday was supposedly drafted at Netanyahu’s cabinet, according to the US government itself.

Source on that? It’s interesting that you say “supposedly…according to the US government itself.” If the government says something, usually it’s easily verifiable.

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I can’t find the source for that specific point, but there was an Israeli draft for a truce proposal moving around a little bit earlier:

https://www.arabnews.com/node/2491001/middle-east

And some political commentators were interpreting Biden’s move as a means to lock the Israeli government in this position before they changed their mind again

https://x.com/academic_la/status/1796604827369439327

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Biden was lying. He thought that he could pressure Netanyahu to agree, but since so far Israel continued to receive almost full support from the US despite all public talking, Netanyahu knows that Biden is his lapdog.

Biden has been and wants to continue to support Netanyahu and the genocide. It is only now that he starts fearing people to be fed up with genocide Joe, that he needs to do something about it. But he completely underestimates that the people aren’t stupid and they have learned so much about the reality of Israel and the US that just building a Pier for aid that didnt deliver more than one shipment doesn’t cut it. Biden is an old man that is unable to face new realities and understand that people don’t perceive the world along his entrenched convictions. He said it himself. He is a Zionist and he wants to always support Zionism. He just struggles to understand why progressive Americans are not fine with mass murder of brown people anymore.

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He thought that he could pressure Netanyahu to agree

Biden has been and wants to continue to support Netanyahu and the genocide.

At least pick a goddamn story that makes sense. This is insulting.

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It can be a little bit of both. There’s plenty of evidence for either.

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He wants a Netanyahu to agree to a temporary ceasefire to get some breathing room for his election campaign. He wants things to continue afterwards, when managed to distract people from the topic.

How is that so complicated to understand? It is the same kind of stunt like with the holding back one shipment of bombs and then delivering $ 17,000,000,000 more of weapons to Israel to continue the slaughter.

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No end to Gaza war until the destruction of Netanyahu

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