Not my original content, but something I stand by
What’s with these “no cops at Pride” comics?
The Stonewall riots is a good place to start your history studies on the matter.
Thanks for your completely sincere suggestion, which I’m sure was made in a good faith effort to have a mature and intelligent discussion on this topic, but I’m actually very well versed in LGBT+ history already.
police have a long and vibrant history of violent abuse of those who identify as LGBT+
Shouldn’t we be working against that, though? Isn’t that the whole point of Pride… AND TREK?
neither the point of pride, nor the point of Trek, has anything to do with including your oppressors/keeping your enemies closer. Unless you think Cardassians were the point?
LGBT+ people have learned not to trust the police, and so will have a hard time relaxing and enjoying themselves if they are around.
Cops have motive, means and opportunity to abuse minorities they don’t “approve” of. Therefore (and because of previous form) they have made themselves unwelcome.
Why no cops?
Because the police enforce the laws of the state, often with violence. If the law dictates that a person being open about their identity is illegal regardless of the fact their identity harms no one, and everyone involved in their actions consents, than it is the responsibility of the cops to oppress them. One year the cops might march alongside people at pride, and then the laws might change and they’ll be there to bust heads of anyone who shows up the next year.
And yeah, there no doubt exist LGBTQ+ cops, or cops whose friends and/or family whom they love are LGBTQ+, but so long as they wear the uniform they represent an organization used to oppress marginalized and minority communities.
Fundamentally, pride is not just a party, it is a protest.
Fundamentally, pride is not just a party, it is a protest.
Rainbow parades or Rainbow bricks.
Ain’t no one going to let Stonewall happen again without a fight.
Fundamentally, pride is not just a party, it is a protest.
And people often tend to say “but why do they need the parade if we let them be?” Because otherwise it’ll be a couple of years before someone will start lynchings.
I just hope the society will sometimes be free of fear for everyone
In the US cops:
- Take trans kids away from supportive parents in states with laws against that
- Selectively target LGBT people for unequal enforcement of often unconstitutional laws (ex: obscenity laws)
- Disproportionately use force against trans people (more than 1/4th according to the ACLU).
Imagine how much it would fuck you up if a cop kicked you around, threw you in lockup with the wrong gender, and then you see the shit stain getting paid to be at Pride.
And just being there, getting paid to do nothing is the best you can hope for. Plenty of times they just watch bigots harass or attack the people at Pride and either do nothing or arrest the victims.
Cops who want to come to Pride out of uniform on their own time because they’re LGBT+ or whatever, most people don’t care about that.
I understand, but also with no cops we wouldn’t have this beautiful teardown
I’m gonna get eviscerated for saying this, but take what you hear here with a grain of salt.
Lemmy doesn’t exactly reflect the experience of the average American.
It’s a bit of a general issue. The police in itself is good, however… it’s a job that puts people into a position of power. Power corrupts, and if you factor in that they’re not well paid (because tanks and so on are better ways to spend a budget…) but are supposed to put their lives on the line, then get treated either like the enemy or the “thin blue line” I see how things can go bad. Being a public service, they’re managed by the government and sent to deal with trouble accordingly, and the definition of trouble varies with whoever is at the top. Sprinkle in some dangerous levels of nationalism, the US being a super power and you most certainly get to hear about their unrest, while the stuff going on in your own country might be less flashy.
A small trivia bit that you might or might not know: at the beginning there was this organization that was created to protect the people from abuses by local lords. Everyone knows what an unholy shitfest that got corrupted into, given that I’m talking about the mafia…
More importantly, Pride itself a reference to the Stonewall Riots, in which cops brutally assaulted LGBTQ+ citizens with great malice and the citizens fought back.
June 28th, 1969
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots
The first Pride Parade was a year later, on June 27th, 1970
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pride_parade#First_pride_marches
The reason cops shouldn’t be allowed at Pride is because cops violence against the LGBTQ+ community is why Pride fucking exists to begin with.
Stonewall was caused by NYPD, soo… it might feel weird to have police at Pride now?
I know it’s a joke, but why would a shapeshifter 350 years into the future on a planet 50 lightyears away be guilty of any of the same prejudices that our local cops are?
The A in ACAB stands for “ALL.” Even to 350 year old shapeshifters in a totally different part of the galaxy, hundreds of years from now.
And I mean, just look at his record from the Occupation. He did some fucked up shit.
If you actually watched the episodes you’d know that a) he didn’t do fucked up shit, he made a mistake and b) he actually cared about justice and c) he not only knew about the mistake, it was eating him up inside.
“No cops at pride” is not about the prejudices of individual cops, be they fictional future shapeshifters from half a galaxy away, or real police here and now. There are LGBTQ+ cops out there.
The issue is the fact that cops enforce the law regardless of how just the law might be. Odo was the chief of security aboard Terek Nor while it was under Cardassian control, and while in that role rushed three innocent Bajoran workers to execution so he could maintain order aboard the station.
Even once the station became Bajoran owned and Starfleet operated, Odo was still willing to conduct illegal surveillance, lock people in the detention facility on trumped up charges, and impose a strict curfew. Personally I don’t think it would be too much of a stretch to assume that Odo would be willing to lock up people participating in a Pride event for no other reason than that he was told to do so, and they were causing a minor disruption on the Promenade.
All Constables Are Boneless
Why does the Major have a lesbian flag?
Because that’s what the artist decided to draw. Maybe Kira has it for someone she knows who identifies as a lesbian. Maybe she was just getting into the spirit of things and grabbed the first flag she saw.
Obviously in canon Kira only expresses interest in dudes with the personalities of dry toast, but mirror Kira is a bit more open. It’s not entirely clear if sexual orientation is 1:1 across universes, so who’s to say if prime Kira experiences same sex attraction or not?
Serious observation, Prime Sulu is straight and Kelvin Sulu is gay (there was a whole brou ha ha about that with George Takei when Beyond came out). So there is a possibility of orientation deviation (heh) between timelines if they stray far enough from each other.
In the case of the Mirror Universe, I think it’s strictly a “same exact people but in different situations” thing. Even while it was still on the air, I assumed Prime Kira was closeted and that was part of why none of her relationships worked out.
Prime Sulu is straight and Kelvin Sulu is gay
Do we know that prime Sulu is straight? He flirts with a woman in “The Way to Eden” and when the literal devil from Christen mythology is aboard the Enterprise in “The Magiks of Megas-Tu” Sulu is able to conjure a woman using the magical properties.
Mirror Sulu clearly is interested in Uhura, despite her rebuffs.
And we do see Kelvin Sulu ever so briefly with his husband and child in “Beyond”, causing an uproar well out of proportion to how little the movie choose to show.
However, all those characters might be bisexual. We do exist.
Even while it was still on the air, I assumed Prime Kira was closeted and that was part of why none of her relationships worked out.
People have relationships that don’t work out without being queer.
But yeah, prime Kira is a religious conservative who is grossed out by how libertine Dax is – dating Ferengi, and dudes with transparent skulls – and while we’re never told how Bajorans view queer relationships, I do view mirror Kira’s more unrestrained nature as indication that her prime counterpart is holding back a part of herself.
@BowtiesAreCool @USSBurritoTruck because it’s Pride and she wants to have one
I’d rather know why Dax has the flag of Döbern, Brandenburg.
It’s the pansexual flag.
Absolutely! The basic rainbow is good to show support regardless of orientation. You could do specific one(s) if you have people that identify as that, it just might require additional explanation.
