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Okay now for the post.
When Palestine is liberated, I think the vast majority of settlers will either be [redacted] or forced out of the region. There is no way that any Arab in the region will accept having a settler in their land, and the settlers know this. The plan will have to be a mass exodus for the west, both for their safety and livelihood (I can see many going into ghoul industries like defense, tech, and police training).
That being said, how would you react if your country decides to accept settlers? Would you support the move? If they were going to live in your community/ neighborhoods how would you feel?
I think the vast majority of settlers [from the overthrown Zionist entity] will either be [redacted]
The idea that “Arabs” are going to slaughter so-called “Israelis” on mass is just racist Zionist gobbledyremoved that you’re taking way too seriously. The settlers do not “know” that they will get “redacted”, they’ve been propagandized to believe that this will happen. I can assure you that this is in fact not going to happen, any more than the end of apartheid saw a mass slaughter of white South Africans nor the end of Rhodesia saw a mass slaughter of white Zimbabweans — even if (frankly, especially since) the Zionist settlers comprise about half of Palestine’s population last I remember. Like, there’s a reason why the DDR had so many former Nazis as bureaucrats, right? They denied the Nazis institutional power, but when there’s so many of them so thoroughly integrated into every nook and cranny of society, then you pretty much just have to put them to work somehow, right?
So Palestinians are not going to Thanos snap the better educated half of their homeland’s population right after a devastating conflict and their own people’s maiming and genocide; nor are those settlers going to throw away their lives in the name of an ideology which literally collapsed before their very eyes. Do not forget how incompetent the IOF is at “fighting” anyone but children armed with sticks and stones: the settlers “fight” not out of genuine commitment, but out of a bought, fickle, and above all else temporary loyalty which will (for most of them) not withstand any sort of genuine threat to their lives. The settlers only believe the propaganda and ideology they’re fed as long as they’re materially incentivized to do so; once the going gets tough they’ll freeze up and whimper like the cops in Uvalde.
Kill the settler-colonial dynamic and you’ve pretty much already killed the settler, is basically my thinking.
how would you react if your country decides to accept settlers? Would you support the move? If they were going to live in your community/ neighborhoods how would you feel?
I myself am the European-born child of a former settler born on occupied Turtle Island, so I see no reason whatsoever why I should not welcome so-called “Israelis” with open arms to this country, provided that the “Israelis” do not act like a bunch of goddamn “when-wes”. If I were in charge I’d even mandate reeducation and perhaps some employment restrictions.
But yeah, we have to remember that a major reason why fascists have supported Zionism throughout history has been to decrease the Jewish populations across the world, and so to openly welcome Jews to different countries — even Jews who were born settlers — would mark the supreme failure of antisemitism, of fascism, and of Zionism.
All in all I think I’d hold settler-refugees from the Zionist Entity to the same standards as anyone else: hiss at the ones who engage in reactionism and show no remorse, the ones who work in ghoulish industries or get “paperclipped” as someone else said, the ones who hoard wealth… But if you as a former Zionist settler now find yourself in an unfamiliar country, working a regular nine-to-five job (or perhaps struggling to find one), and you’re for the first time in your life being exposed to honest to God actual antisemitism instead of the propagandized caricature of antisemitism you were taught in school growing up, and you’re actually experiencing second-hand citizen status due to being a refugee… Then yeah, I think you deserve whatever help you need, in the same way as, like, former convicts with just absolutely horrifying criminal records.
Colonialism first asks of colonizers to throw away their empathy, to practically throw away their humanity. Colonizers are then able to regain their empathy and humanity by engaging in anti-colonial struggle, and often this might happen precisely because the circumstances push them to, right?
I have heard people argue that so-called “Israelis” are basically just treated as 100% white and so will comfortably fit in any country in the Global North… But I don’t think this is necessarily the case. The “Israelis” who are useful to the satanic machinery of the Global North, yes, the ones who are wealthy, the ones who go to the rest of the Global North under the implicit understanding that they’ll “go back” or at the very least won’t get “too numerous”… I think that once it’s clear to the West that it needs to switch into a neocolonial rule of liberated Palestine, that it will focus on accruing as many refugees as possible, to make them into another steady stream of cheap labor, and this will include former Zionist settlers. Compare this to the situation with Ukrainians right now: on the one hand “brave martyrs for Western democracy fighting against the Asiatic hordes” or whatever, and on the other hand “your degree ain’t worth shit here, something something Ukrainian strippers, something something you can be sent to the frontlines at any moment”.
The children of former Zionist settlers after the liberation of Palestine are practically guaranteed to be normal people, in any case.
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I have heard people argue that so-called “Israelis” are basically just treated as 100% white and so will comfortably fit in any country in the Global North… But I don’t think this is necessarily the case.
I can add a bit to this. Israeli demographics are a bit odd by western standards. They consider anyone that is Jewish to be an Israeli Jewish citizen regardless of ethnic background. Other citizens are “Arab Citizens of Israel” which means Palestinian and either of Muslim or Christian background. So Palestinian Jews in Israel are considered Jews under the law despite their former historical neighbors being considered in the second-class citizen category. Part of what makes that interesting is that the Mizrahim and Sephardim Jewish ethnic groups which do make up significant enough portions of Israel’s total Jewish demographic are demonstrably not “white” and are systematically treated accordingly by Israelis of Ashkenazi background. The Israel politic and society favors the generally wealthier Jewish people of European origin. Thus, a lot of the people in the IOF doing the genocide are also not “white” people, and would not pass as white in the west. Israeli society is really, really fucked.
I think this is also important relevant to the idea that Jewish Israelis are entirely white European settlers with a place of origin to “go back to”. Many have heritage in the middle east and were essentially forced out of their countries. Even a lot of the Ashkenazi population doesn’t have a clear country that they are from.
well it sort of is, but the novelty is that Palestinian is a uniquely dehumanized identity in Israel. It is essentially denied that they exist at all, and in practice non-white Jewish people are still people, can’t be discriminated against within the law in the same ways. Arab citizens of Israel live under Jim Crow conditions, West Bank Palestinians live under apartheid, and Gazan Palestinians are experiencing genocide.
Side note but the Sremovedhorpe problem strikes again with gobbledyremoved lol
Good post. I agree with everything.
From a strategic point of view it would also be wise to preemptively offering settlers a way out. If they know that going to Europe is an option it would counter zionist propaganda about “having nowhere else to go” and make giving up the occupation of Palestine easier.
I would like to add though that accepting ex-‘Israeli’ migrants doesn’t mean that you have to accept the crimes they have committed. Welcoming ex-settlers should be paired with a close partnership with Palestinian authorities to identify and extradite war criminals and extremists to face criminal charges in Palestine.
Domestic security agencies should also closely monitor gusano activity, preventing revanchist organising and racism among resettled ex-settlers.
Do you think the Haitians were wrong to revolt? An oppressed group fighting against their oppressor is not the same as their oppressor committing a genocide against said group.
I would say that allowing the people who genocided your people for decades to live is actually morally correct to the point of being saintly, and also difficult to the point of being unrealistic due to the common threat of violence from said genocidal people, so the reason we tend to criticize people who suggest such things is because it’s unrealistic to expect those who are being genocided and having their land occupied by settlers to do such absurdly costly and saintlike things that even among privileged people are often very difficult.
Unfortunately I don’t get a choice. There are already IDF war criminals attending the university I work at. And they already had US citizenship.
They’re gonna get Operation Paperclipped. Hope and pray that your locality will not decide to just put an IDF dude in charge of your police force like the Nazis they put in charge of NATO and NASA.
most of them probably already have citizenship in the US or some other safe, wealthy global north country where they’ll fit right in
I don’t think dual citizenship numbers are out there, but this site claims 10% and the highest estimate I’ve seen looking around is 1 in 8.
https://www.dualcitizenshipreport.org/dual-citizenship/israel/
Personally, sure I would take them as refugees, maybe they can feel like second class citizens for once. (Not that I think refugees should be treated that way, but that’s just the reality)
well if they don’t then sure, I wouldn’t have a problem with them coming to the US, they aren’t that different from the chuds who already make up a majority here
Reeducation is a must tho. It’d be a bad idea to just let them into the country without addressing the reactionary beliefs and thoughts they hold.
This is a weird question. There is absolutely no reason to claim settlers would be killed, that isn’t what Hamas is fighting for, and they have repeatedly said their opposition is to Zionism not to Jews. To suggest otherwise is the same kind of scaremongering that was used to defend the extension of apartheid in South Africa. In all likelihood Israelis who wanted to stay in Palestine could stay, they just couldn’t live in an apartheid ethnostate anymore. As in the case of other former settler states, many would choose to leave of their own accord though
