Comment by WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world on It's good to be da king

Things didn’t end well for the last guy…

It’s a fetus, not a child.

It’s a fully-developed human that didn’t get a chance to live

A fetus is objectively not fully formed. What do you think its doing in the womb for all those months, just hanging out? When abortions happen its just a bundle of cells that cant think, breathe, or live on its own.

Yes it is, buddy, you know what is also a bunch of cells ? Comatose patients

A coma involves brain activity in a highly developed nervous system, often with a high chance of recovery.

A fetus has a tiny, undeveloped nervous system, with no higher brain functions.

These are not at all equivalent. One is a person, and the other is not.

Yeah a bunch of cells which have FULLY FORMED into a person. Something a fetus has in no way done.

Then how come they can’t survive without leeching off a host? 80% of pregnancies spontaneously end in miscarriage. That doesn’t sound viable or fully developed to me. If it could survive outside the womb, you’d have a point. But it can’t, so you don’t.

You know who was actually fully-developed? All the women who have died due to pregnancy complications thanks to draconic laws that take away their rights over their own bodies. I’ll hold you responsible for murdering them.

You clearly don’t know biology do you & are you capable of sustaining yourself I you were left in a jungle ? BTW, it’s around 13.5 percent but regardless it’s not 80% (that’s a lie)

American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists. (2020)
National Center for Health Statistics. (1999). Trends in Pregnancies and Pregnancy Rates.
JAMA Network. (2020)

I hold you responsible for the billions of deaths of unborn children, because of your stupidity & selfishness & inhumanity

BTW, it’s around 13.5 percent but regardless it’s not 80% (that’s a lie)

Sure, if you only measure after 6 weeks.

For women of reproductive age, losses between implantation and clinical recognition are approximately 10–25%. Loss from implantation to birth is approximately one third [39, 46, 48, 49].

A recent re-analysis [39] of data from three studies [46, 48, 49] concluded that, in normal healthy women, 10–40% is a plausible range for pre-implantation embryo loss and overall pregnancy loss from fertilisation to birth is approximately 40–60%.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5443340/

You clearly don’t know biology do you

Says the person claiming a fetus is a fully developed human.

are you capable of sustaining yourself I you were left in a jungle ?

Millions of people live in the jungles of the world. How many fetuses live outside wombs? Oh right, none. Because there’s a difference between having the skills to survive in the jungle, and being a fully developed human capable of independent biological survival.

Have you ensured that every single one of your gametes resulted in a child? Then you’re a genocidal hypocrite.

A tiny cluster of cells is not a “fully developed human”

Tissues & organs are not “tiny cluster of cells” You are

By definition a fetus is not a fully developed human…

Okay, I don’t agree with the emotional concept that a fetus is a person innately, but I can at least understand where that type of thinking comes from. Claiming it’s a fully-developed human is just demonstrably wrong. You’re entitled to your opinion, but feelings aren’t facts. I sincerely hope this is a sad attempt at trolling.

This isn’t feelings, it’s science buddy What YOU’RE saying is opinion & your “opinion” can also be applied on comatose people as well Next time, curb your gaslighting & try Family planning

Claims science, states no actual science, strawmans up an example that isn’t related to the original in any way. claims gaslighting with no actual reference to gaslighting behavior.

No slurs or personal attacks, but i feel like you’re going for the subtle approach so you probably don’t need those right now.

Hmm, so this is up there, i feel like it’s missing something though, can’t quite place what, but i’ll keep an eye on the replies in case i spot it.

Anyway, 8/10 shitpost, good job, no notes.

While i have you, it sounds like you are a person familiar with how science works and will give me an actual answer rather than deflect.

What is the scientific definition of “parasite”?

What is your solution for fetal anomalies that will inevitably lead to stillbirth or death in the first few hours of life? What is your solution for pregnancy abnormalities that put the life of the mother at serious risk? What is your solution for women who are desperately trying to escape monstrously abusive relationships that got pregnant from marital rape or coercion?

That’s…optimistic.

I feel like you’re expecting a rational discourse with someone who so far has gone with “BaBy MurDerErS” and “YEah,bUt SciEnCe is On My sIDe” ( without actually stating how ).

They aren’t addressing unwanted pregnancies, medical complication, sexual assault and things outside their carefully crafted headcannon, on purpose.

You’re gonna get handwaving at best, probably some strawman example, righteous indignation with no explained basis perhaps a personal attack.

I would not at all be surprised if they were bordering on the belief that victims of sexual assault can just “decide” to not get pregnant.

That’s the level of critical thinking you’re working with here, i’d manage my expectations if i were you.

I unfortunately attend a religious university for medical school (not by choice, mind you), so I am quite familiar with the mindset displayed here from people with substantially better education.

Welp, we’ll never know now. Looks like they nuked their account

Proper screening & Gene therapy & more funding into pediatrics Also, If the mother is at risk then maybe a point could be made, but let’s agree to be honest here You’re not talking about those rare cases are you As for rape & coercion, Women have welfare & you should be seeking to punish the criminal & not kill an innocent child

Oh & in many countries that are not US, we have Pre-Natal protections

I’m trying so hard not to reply to this nonsense…

Ooo, gaslighting. Another word you don’t understand. Keep going. I’m so close.

I do & your Opinions are basically “I don’t agree with you, hence you’re factually wrong & crazy”

Oh & since you’re from Lemmy.ml I suggest you migrate to Lemmy.cafe, a friendly advice, just saying (Plenty of Leftists are Pro-Life)

Nah, friend. Scientific facts aren’t opinions, even if you believe them super, super hard. In case you aren’t allergic to education, enjoy!

Do you believe people who are unresponsive and comatose for a long period should be kept alive despite the families wishes?

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